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TOTW 22/08: Do you think they kept each others postcards?
Artiste:
Katie, why do you say:
I really dont think there were many postcards to keep. ?
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Could it be that men do NOT write that much nor often??
Au revoir,
hugs!
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: Artiste on August 23, 2008, 10:21:13 pm ---Merci Herrkaiser!
Your post is very interesting!!
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HerrKaiser, may I disagree a bit ?
Since you say: Jack was unfortunately was under appreciated by her (Lureen)... , may I say that that is NOT nescessary so, because she saw, heard and tried her best. Both, Jack and Lureen got along somehow; right ?
Too, Lureen did try to see Ennis, but Jack was not interested in presenting him, remember?
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thanks artiste, but I see no evidence that Lureen 'tried her best' to build a real relationship with Jack. She was clearly controlled by her father and allowed it. She had no intention of disrupting that, even at the expense of her own husband's denigration. Jack seemed disappointed to admit that his marriage could be handled "on the phone", but Lureen seemed to share no such attitude; rather she seemed resigned to the loveless marriage, cynical, and uninterested. So, I think it is definitely fair to say Lureen underappreciated Jack and in her frame of mind/family posture, she would have had very little interest in going through any of Jack's "things".
also, it is not clear that Jack did not want Ennis to come to their (Jack and Lureen's) home. Jack simply knew Ennis would not be able to make the trip for at least two good reasons and TX was not at all the same atmostphere they so enjoyed in WY.
Artiste:
Merci HerrKaiser
But which are the two reasons Ennis did NOT go to Jack and Lureen's home, do you think?
Could is be that Lureen had seen one of those postcards that Ennis sent?
Au revoir,
hugs!
Katie77:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on August 24, 2008, 03:27:36 pm ---thanks artiste, but I see no evidence that Lureen 'tried her best' to build a real relationship with Jack. She was clearly controlled by her father and allowed it. She had no intention of disrupting that, even at the expense of her own husband's denigration. Jack seemed disappointed to admit that his marriage could be handled "on the phone", but Lureen seemed to share no such attitude; rather she seemed resigned to the loveless marriage, cynical, and uninterested. So, I think it is definitely fair to say Lureen underappreciated Jack and in her frame of mind/family posture, she would have had very little interest in going through any of Jack's "things".
also, it is not clear that Jack did not want Ennis to come to their (Jack and Lureen's) home. Jack simply knew Ennis would not be able to make the trip for at least two good reasons and TX was not at all the same atmostphere they so enjoyed in WY.
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I dont agree with you on Laureen's attitude to Jack. I think she was proud of Jack when he stood up to her father in the Thanksgiving scene, and Jack showed a lot of respect to Laureen in that same scene, mentioning about her cooking the dinner. I think that scene was there, to show that Jack and Laureen led a civil life together. It also showed, that she wanted her son to respect his father.
I do think Laureen and Jack had a civil and respectful relationship together, and I think they loved each other probably more like brother and sister. I have read posts on here from gay men who are married, and they still love and respect their wives.
I think when Jack said they could "have sex over the phone", I think that was an indication that their sex life was either non existent or just "quickie" type sex. It was also the opportunity for Jack to justify "putting the blocks" to someone else. Even though he did not tell the truth, that it was with Randall, by telling Ennis that he was at least having some sexual gratification, he was kind of taking any suspicions away, that Eniis might have of him going with another man.
I have no doubt, that they loved each other as much as they could, consiidering the circumstances.
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: Artiste on August 24, 2008, 04:23:36 pm ---Merci HerrKaiser
But which are the two reasons Ennis did NOT go to Jack and Lureen's home, do you think?
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His truck would never make the trip and he would never get the extra travel time off work (or cut a couple days into his time with Jack).
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