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Importance of the Jimbo Scene
Brown Eyes:
I don't usually find it dangerous to try to connect with a potential partner, but I do find it can be very awkward outside of the context of a specifically gay environment. Guaging a situation can be very, very tricky... and is something Jack needed to learn to do in the context of his social environment. And, as many of us have said in this thread... Jack seems to have very good gaydar in this regard. This is one of the things that makes the Jimbo scene interesting, because nothing is entirely clear cut.
To me this awkwardness is what Jack experiences... he's a bit embarassed by Jimbo's rejection and he's frurstrated by the bartender hovering and making annoying comments.
To me that's the main reason he leaves the bar. He may have had a slight worry about what was going on around the pool table too.
But, again, we really have no idea what Jimbo says to them or why they're looking in Jack's direction. I do find it somewhat unlikely that Jimbo would go right up to them and tell them what just happened between himself and Jack.
Artiste:
Merci atz!
Because I am late to go do my creations, I will be very brief for now OK!
Thanks for elaborating well again !
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Atz: I agree with most of your points, but have to disagree strongly with some! That I will elaborate later, if you like; for example: stressing again that Jimbo, as a danger, forecasts Jack futur: death, even !
Au revoir,
hugs! P.S. Didn't Jack was told to become a pederast ? Maybe, I got the wrong word... here and will add that too to explain in other posts... if you like !
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Artiste on August 20, 2008, 11:00:32 am --- P.S. Didn't Jack was told to become a pederast ? Maybe, I got the wrong word... here and will add that too to explain in other posts... if you like !
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No. There is no evidence of discussion of this topic whatsoever in BBM. If you want to discuss this topic that you mention, please start another thread.
This thread is about the issue of Jack seeking out male partners in the context of his community during the years before he reunites with Ennis. It's about how difficult finding a partner could be. And, the Jimbo scene is the moment in the film when this issue is addressed.
Mandy21:
Hey Amanda, this is an interesting thread, thanks for starting it. Just a couple quick questions, wondering about relationships and meeting people. I'm not sure if you ever had heterosexual relationships in your life, but if you did, did you find them to be difficult to begin, as well? I mean sometimes it's as easy as saying something clever to a cute guy in the produce section at the neighborhood store and before you know it, you're boyfriend and girlfriend, but also sometimes you can try for years to get somebody to return your love again -- somebody whose heart you broke in the past -- and fail. I've never tried to pick up a woman in my life, but I would think it would be an equally tricky and unpredictable guessing game. For that matter, what if I was to try to pick up some random guy, and he was actually gay -- would he be offended that I couldn't sense that about him just by looking at him? Just seems like it's a slippery slope, all around, and as I've gotten older, I find myself attracted or drawn to or even noticing, less and less people when I'm out and about. Don't know why that is. Perhaps as you age, you lose that youthful bravado and confidence to approach and take that first leap.
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Mandy21 on August 20, 2008, 11:41:46 am ---Hey Amanda, this is an interesting thread, thanks for starting it. Just a couple quick questions, wondering about relationships and meeting people. I'm not sure if you ever had heterosexual relationships in your life, but if you did, did you find them to be difficult to begin, as well? I mean sometimes it's as easy as saying something clever to a cute guy in the produce section at the neighborhood store and before you know it, you're boyfriend and girlfriend, but also sometimes you can try for years to get somebody to return your love again -- somebody whose heart you broke in the past -- and fail. I've never tried to pick up a woman in my life, but I would think it would be an equally tricky and unpredictable guessing game. For that matter, what if I was to try to pick up some random guy, and he was actually gay -- would he be offended that I couldn't sense that about him just by looking at him? Just seems like it's a slippery slope, all around, and as I've gotten older, I find myself attracted or drawn to or even noticing, less and less people when I'm out and about. Don't know why that is. Perhaps as you age, you lose that youthful bravado and confidence to approach and take that first leap.
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Heya Mandy!
No, I've never had a heterosexual relationship and I've not tried to pick up a guy before.
And, yes, I'm sure that there's a lot of anxiety and it can be very difficult to approach someone you're interested in a heterosexual context. I'm certainly not implying that finding an ideal partner is easy for straight people.
But, the odds are stacked against a gay encounter to a greater degree... simply based on numbers and percentages.
I've never in my life met a girlfriend outside the context of a specifically gay environment (either a gay bar, a gay discussion group, my all-female college where there was a ton of lesbian socializing/ parties, etc.). In daily life, it truly, truly can feel like it would be similar to finding a needle in a haystack to even encounter someone who's (a) attrative enough to want to approach and (b) gay. In daily life it's just so hard to tell what someone's story is. And, I think there are far fewer opportunities for the kind of casual grocery store encounter that you mention simply because it's so hard to tell how a person would react to an advance like that.
This is why Jack's dilemma is so interesting to me. In the four years prior to the reunion he is essentially operating as a single gay man trying to find a partner (since his hopes about Ennis are probably very slim during those four years). Jack doesn't have anywhere to go in his community that would provide him with a gay environment. So, he has to have the very awkward types of encounters that we see in the Jimbo scene.
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