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Importance of the Jimbo Scene
Artiste:
Right Katie!
Jimbo by a frisson showed genuinely that he was ANTI-GAY!
And more ?
So why have pity on Jimbo !
I rather like Jack since at least he was the ONLY man there ! A real genuine man, a loving person!
Au revoir,
hugs!
optom3:
--- Quote from: Artiste on August 22, 2008, 10:06:12 am ---Right Katie!
Jimbo by a frisson showed genuinely that he was ANTI-GAY!
And more ?
So why have pity on Jimbo !
I rather like Jack since at least he was the ONLY man there ! A real genuine man, a loving person!
Au revoir,
hugs!
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I disagree totally, he may have felt the frisson, and there is no direct reference as to whether it was Jack, him or both who felt it. But If I feel a man is comming onto me and I am not really interested, does that make me anti men. No it doesn't, it just means I am not interested in THAT man. Not the whole male population.
The use of the word frisson in the screenplay is ambiguous and deliberately so I think,the frisson makes Jimbo uneasy, but maybe that is because he, like Ennis is deeply closeted by fear. At no time does he seem threatening to Jack, in fact the screenplay says he remains perfectly friendly.
So it could be taken as the reverse of anti gay.Could be that he feels uneasy as he knows he is being watched, but that the frisson felt, is an indication that he fancies Jack, but is unwilling to admit it to himself, hence the feeling uneasy.In fact maybe Jimbo feels threatened by emotions he has, but does not understand or feel ready to accept.
He may be thinking, stupid sod, why didn't you do this somewhere else less obvious and I would have jumped your bones gladly.
As with all things BBM there are so may interpretations, all right as Proulx herself says, the story is not finished until it has been read, meaning we all have our own particular take on it, but welcome and indeed embrace the views of others. By so doing we open up our minds to endless possibilities and the story becomes a classic, being debated, years and sometimes centuries down the line, eg, Chaucer, Steinbeck, and Shakespeare himself.
I think there is a big hint in the screenplay when it sates that Jimbo "remains perfectly friendly"
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: optom3 on August 22, 2008, 10:36:15 am ---
The use of the word frisson in the screenplay is ambiguous and deliberately so I think,the frisson makes Jimbo uneasy, but maybe that is because he, like Ennis is deeply closeted by fear. At no time does he seem threatening to Jack, in fact the screenplay says he remains perfectly friendly.
So it could be taken as the reverse of anti gay.Could be that he feels uneasy as he knows he is being watched, but that the frisson felt, is an indication that he fancies Jack, but is unwilling to admit it to himself, hence the feeling uneasy.In fact maybe Jimbo feels threatened by emotions he has, but does not understand or feel ready to accept.
He may be thinking, stupid sod, why didn't you do this somewhere else less obvious
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Heya Fiona,
I think it's really interesting to bring the screenplay into this discussion. And, I think this part of your comment is particularly interesting. It seems like one really interesting possiblity regarding Jimbo... that he may have had some interest in Jack, but that the context of Jack hitting on him so publiclly made the whole situation too awkward. I think there are at least two ways to see Jimbo's reaction based on what you mention about the screenplay. Either it's a straightforward scenario of Jimbo being straight and truly not interested in Jack (but Jimbo remains polite, if a bit terse). Or, he is a bit of an Ennis-type who's bottling up and trying to hide some of the feelings/attraction he may be having towards Jack or about men in general.
The fact that Jack is so relatively open about approaching a man in the context of that particular bar, even with the bartender hovering... illustrates a really cute/ sweet but naive aspect of Jack's personality I think.
Artiste:
Optom, like Atz, I find it too really interesting that you bring the screenplay into the discussion, but I not that you know that I disagree with you about your intepretation of Jimbo's frisson ! ? Totally!
I will add later.
Right now was the word FRISSON used by Annie ?
Au revoir,
hugs!
optom3:
--- Quote from: atz75 on August 22, 2008, 10:45:02 am ---Heya Fiona,
I think it's really interesting to bring the screenplay into this discussion. And, I think this part of your comment is particularly interesting. It seems like one really interesting possibility regarding Jimbo... that he may have had some interest in Jack, but that the context of Jack hitting on him so publiclly made the whole situation too awkward. I think there are at least two ways to see Jimbo's reaction based on what you mention about the screenplay. Either it's a straightforward scenario of Jimbo being straight and truly not interested in Jack (but Jimbo remains polite, if a bit terse). Or, he is a bit of an Ennis-type who's bottling up and trying to hide some of the feelings/attraction he may be having towards Jack or about men in general.
The fact that Jack is so relatively open about approaching a man in the context of that particular bar, even with the bartender hovering... illustrates a really cute/ sweet but naive aspect of Jack's personality I think.
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I agree about Jacks' naivety, we see that, when he is so surprised that Earl and Rich suffered the fate they did. He is almost childlike in his attitude, believing that if you want something enough you can get it, and why would anyone want to hurt you.
I also think that this simplistic view of life, in the early days makes Jack reckless as well.
I see some of that in my own kids, one of whom thinks he will be playing at Wimbledon and the other at the Olympics.I would never spoil those dreams for them because who knows anyway, and also if it does not happen, life will soon disillusion them.
I do not think Jack has seen enough of life yet to have his childlike naivety shattered. It is what remains so endearing about him.
Ennis by his very early teens had already lost his parents, then lost his home.He is much more battle scarred than Jack.
The scene by the lake when Ennis asks him if he thinks people know, genuinely seems to catch Jack by surprise. Ennis may be completely bottled up, but he is much more aware tahn Jack, or maybe just more paranoid.
Jack seems to exist to some degree, in his own little bubble, either blissfully unaware of what the world is really like, or if he does know, then determined to ignore it.
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