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Importance of the Jimbo Scene
Penthesilea:
--- Quote from: Mandy21 on October 14, 2008, 11:14:16 am ---I am intrigued by what you said above, and had never really thought calf-roping would cost the rider more than it would cost them to ride bulls. I always presumed that the horse had a proper owner (stock contractor, as you called it), and stable and all the care it needed, and the calf-roper just spent time training it from when it was young, and then riding it when there was an event. Then again, I always presumed, that if the calf-roper/rider won an event, that he/she would split the winnings with the owner. I don't know where I got these notions, but I'm curious now -- is it not done like that? Please enlighten us some more when you get a chance!
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I'm no way as enlightened on all things rodeo as Amanda is (in fact, I barely have a clue), but it's in the movie itself: Jack's response to the bartender "Do I look like I could afford a f*in ropin' horse?".
I always took this for face value: calf ropers own their own (expensive) horses.
--- Quote ---Also, the second question is, if all you say is true, and was probably accepted as common knowledge in rodeo bars, what would lead that bartender to believe Jack had any extra money to pursue the more expensive sport? Could it be as simple as the fact that Jack was generous enough with his money to buy Jimbo a beer? Nah, it can't be that simple. Any theories as to why?
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Maybe Lynne is on the right track here: the bartender making a dig against Jack's rodeo abilities as well as his poverty (resulting from not being a good bull-rider in the bartender's opinion).
optom3:
--- Quote from: Penthesilea on October 14, 2008, 11:23:44 am ---
I'm no way as enlightened on all things rodeo as Amanda is (in fact, I barely have a clue), but it's in the movie itself: Jack's response to the bartender "Do I look like I could afford a f*in ropin' horse?".
I always took this for face value: calf ropers own their own (expensive) horses.
Maybe Lynne is on the right track here: the bartender making a dig against Jack's rodeo abilities as well as his poverty (resulting from not being a good bull-rider in the bartender's opinion).
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I am pretty well in agreement with that. I always thought the bar tender was having a sly dig at Jack. Presumably knowing all the time he did not have the money, to do as suggested.It seems doubly cruel to me, as he is at the same time insinuating that Jack is both poor and a poor rodeo rider too.
I suspect in his time ,as with a lot of bartenders, he had seen most sorts and was pretty clued up, to Jack's financial situation and possibly even his sexuality. Jack's boots were pretty run down and would be a fairly clear indicator, that he was not flush with funds.
I think barmen/women are a bit like hairdressers, they get to hear and be told a lot.Particularly, the bar staff as alcohol loosens tongues.
Artiste:
Kerry: you say: Paedophilia? How very bizarre.
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Kerry: It might be bizzarre as you say, but doesn't paedophilia exist ?
It does exist in many cultures, as I noted in some which still prefers it as initiation or otherwise, plus aren't they clever in order not to be found? You know that don't you? Even in every country, there are some... it seems evident.
And, say, if not about paedophilia, why do you think that Jack is angry at the bartender's suggestion?
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Mandy21 on October 14, 2008, 11:14:16 am ---Amanda, as always, you put most of us to shame with your enlightening in-depth knowledge of the rodeo circuit. I keep waiting for the day when they make you an on-air announcer at one of the events you attend. ;D
I am intrigued by what you said above, and had never really thought calf-roping would cost the rider more than it would cost them to ride bulls. I always presumed that the horse had a proper owner (stock contractor, as you called it), and stable and all the care it needed, and the calf-roper just spent time training it from when it was young, and then riding it when there was an event. Then again, I always presumed, that if the calf-roper/rider won an event, that he/she would split the winnings with the owner. I don't know where I got these notions, but I'm curious now -- is it not done like that? Please enlighten us some more when you get a chance!
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Heya,
Well, as far as I understand to be a calf roper you need to train with your one particular horse for a long time so that you and the horse are working in perfect timing together. It's not the kind of human-animal communication/rhythm that could be transfered very easily by switching horses a lot. In team calf-roping it's even more intricate because two people need to have similarly trained horses and the timing/rhythm between the two people as well as between the people and the horses. It seems possible that a scenario could come up where a calf roper simply works with and trains one horse owned by a separate stock contractor (as long as the rider and the individual horse were well acquainted with each other I'd think that would be enough). But, my bet is that it simply is easier or maybe more common to own your own horse (even it this option would be much more expensive).
In bull riding, the bull is meant to be a "surprise" or an unfamiliar animal to the rider. That's the challenge in bull riding... every bull is different (has different moves, spins different directions, kicks high, kicks low, etc.) and the rider needs to adjust to all those differences with each new ride. A bull rider would certainly never need to own a bull in order to participate in the rodeo circuit whereas a calf roper needs to own the animal they use.
So, it's sort of the opposite in calf roping, where it's pretty much essential to have the horse be the same and familiar. The horse in calf roping wouldn't be "rough stock" or a wild horse... It would be a tame, trained horse.
Other horse events, like saddlebronc riding and bareback riding would involve a "rough stock" (or nearly wild/ untrained horse) and those horses could be owned by a separate stock contractor. I assume that the element of surprise/change animal to animal is part of the challenge in those horse events, much like bull riding.
Artiste:
Merci atz !
I just read your post, which somehow illustrates, to me, the reasons, why that bartendar was suggesting or telling Jack to become a paedophile !
Of course, that is like a secret code ? !
Au revoir,
hugs!
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