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The mysterious "I love you" and other nearly indiscernible moments
Front-Ranger:
Have you ever listened to the movie on a computer with earphones? Just wondering... 8)
jpwagoneer1964:
--- Quote from: [email protected] on July 28, 2006, 05:06:56 pm ---Sorry to disillusion the last 2 posters, but there is no verbal communication of any sort in the scene from the time Ennis leaves the kitchen until he returns to the kitchen. The subtitled version of the movie shows every verbal exchange in quotes, and audible sound, such as horse neighs and bird caws, in parenthesis. Ennis is struck with emotion at finding these shirts, and as he gets his first whif of the shirt, he inhales (we hear it), then brings it closer and at the same time squeezes the sleeve with the blood. At that moment he takes 3 quick breaths, as one does in a mild sobbing attack, and as his emotion takes full control, his lip shows a slight quiver. These are normal, but uncontrolled facial movements of anyone in the early throes of expressing the emotion of grief.
I think a lot of you who believe you hear "I love you" do so because that't what you want to hear, and also because of the power of suggestion. Because this move uses a rural western dialect, with sobbing, chocking up, tears, etc., you fill in the blanks, so to speak. Unfortunately, there are no blanks here; no "I love you"...
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Sorry it's clearly there and can be heard as well as seen. Subtitle versons are often translated incorrectly. What is also there in SNIT is Jack saying "c'm here before "s 'alright"
dly64:
--- Quote from: [email protected] on July 28, 2006, 05:06:56 pm ---Sorry to disillusion the last 2 posters, but there is no verbal communication of any sort in the scene from the time Ennis leaves the kitchen until he returns to the kitchen. The subtitled version of the movie shows every verbal exchange in quotes, and audible sound, such as horse neighs and bird caws, in parenthesis. Ennis is struck with emotion at finding these shirts, and as he gets his first whif of the shirt, he inhales (we hear it), then brings it closer and at the same time squeezes the sleeve with the blood. At that moment he takes 3 quick breaths, as one does in a mild sobbing attack, and as his emotion takes full control, his lip shows a slight quiver. These are normal, but uncontrolled facial movements of anyone in the early throes of expressing the emotion of grief.
I think a lot of you who believe you hear "I love you" do so because that't what you want to hear, and also because of the power of suggestion. Because this move uses a rural western dialect, with sobbing, chocking up, tears, etc., you fill in the blanks, so to speak. Unfortunately, there are no blanks here; no "I love you"...
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I tell you ... I was as skeptical as you and I thought everyone was crazy. I also used the subtitles, but found that didn't work, either. (Think about when they are riding horses, right before the divorce scene ... the subtitles say: "both chattering". If you listen, Jack says, "I'd love to rope a coyote" .... I am 100% sure he says that).
Front Ranger suggested using headphones. I have done this numerous times and, I promise you, there is so much more you can hear and catch. When I was told where and when to listen, I still thought ... "no human way .... these guys are hearing things". Then I heard it and I said, "I'll be darn! Crap! I'll have to admit I am wrong!" :laugh:
Of course, this is one of those issues right along with TS2: is it ...?
Jack: "It's all right ...."
Ennis: "I'm sorry."
Jack: "It's all right .."
(which, IMO, is what is said ... but whoa! Is that a debate!)
The subtitles say ...
Jack: "I'm sorry."
Ennis: "It's all right ..."
Jack: "It's all right ..."
(which makes no sense to me ....)
And then there are others who say Ennis says nothing. I could go on and on.
Ultimately, I have come to the place where I have realized that my opinion is my opinion. If it works for me, then it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, ya know!? ;)
Daphne7661:
--- Quote from: dly64 on July 28, 2006, 08:09:30 pm ---Of course, this is one of those issues right along with TS2: is it ...?
Jack: "It's all right ...."
Ennis: "I'm sorry."
Jack: "It's all right .."
(which, IMO, is what is said ... but whoa! Is that a debate!)
The subtitles say ...
Jack: "I'm sorry."
Ennis: "It's all right ..."
Jack: "It's all right ..."
(which makes no sense to me ....)
And then there are others who say Ennis says nothing. I could go on and on.
Ultimately, I have come to the place where I have realized that my opinion is my opinion. If it works for me, then it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, ya know!? ;)
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Hey Diane,
I am glad you continued to listen for the "I Love You" in the shirt/closet scene.
Also, I just want to say that I stand by my original post of what is said in TS2. Basically, Ennis doesn't say anything. It's all Jack.
Ennis approaches the tent and kneels down in front of Jack.
Jack puts his hand on Ennis' arm and leans into him.
Ennis, nervous, of course, kind of quickly leans into Jack, maybe to kiss him. He is kind of interrupted because Jack takes his hat out of his hands. This somewhat disarms Ennis.
Jack then cups Ennis' face/cheek in his hand and turns those baby blues on Ennis (who could resist him at this point, my goodness) and says, "C'mere".
Ennis doesn't move much and is a bit resistant (nervous) to kiss Jack, so Jack says, "C'mon"
They kiss.
They release.
I think Jack feels a tad guilty for having "pushed" Ennis into kissing him (even though he didn't and Ennis really wanted to anyway, but was just nervous).
So, Jack hangs his head a bit and says, "I'm sorry" (sorry for what he perceives as having "pushed" Ennis too quickly perhaps).
Jack then says, "It's all right. It's all right. Lie Back. C'mon."
Ennis says nothing in this scene. I truly, truly believe that.
Of course, we all see and hear different things, but take what I wrote and watch it again.
I don't trust those subtitles at all. There are many other parts where they are wrong.
2robots4u:
There's no convincing those of you who think you hear something that isn 't there! I am asking a friend of mine who works in analyzing tapes for the police in a major mid-west city to look into it, and I guarantee you we will discover nothing is said by Ennis. To those of you who are positive he says "I love you" try to obtain the actual script??
Since one of you claims "those 3 words are pivitol to the story", don't you think Ms Proulx would have written it into the story? She didn't because it doesn't happen. That's the last I have to say on this subject. Believe what you will!
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