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The mysterious "I love you" and other nearly indiscernible moments
dly64:
--- Quote from: [email protected] on July 30, 2006, 03:07:38 pm ---Obviously, this scene is a compilation of several takes, BUT, editing is seriously flawed. Is this the fault of editors who pieced it together, or the fault of Lee for not paying attention to these errors and correcting them. I believe I read that there were something like 125 "mistakes" in the movie. That being the case, I cannot agree with Lee's attention to detail as "impeccable".
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It is these inconsistencies that we talk about in the “it ain’t right” thread. It just gives us a forum to have a little fun with the movie – especially since this film is so serious.
As for the editing …. humans do it, so there are always going to be flaws. I think the strength of Ang Lee’s films is his sense of composition and his love for the characters. IMO, this is one of the best films I have ever seen (and I have seen a lot … from all time periods). This film has changed my belief that “the best films were already made”.
Daphne7661:
Having watched BBM over 100 times now, I am quite familiar with Ennis' tightlipped delivery most of the time.
However, in TS2, the "I'm Sorry" is not Ennis' voice in any way, shape or form. It is Jack's.
I think we all can agree that Jack's and Ennis' voices are quite distinct in their own right. Even in intimate whispers....
nic:
--- Quote from: Daphne7661 on July 31, 2006, 12:54:07 am ---I think we all can agree that Jack's and Ennis' voices are quite distinct in their own right. Even in intimate whispers....
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I don't know about that Daphne - I think I could do with more of them whispering intimately to each other, just to check, and the accompanyign visuals wouldn't hurt either ;D
Marge_Innavera:
--- Quote from: [email protected] on July 30, 2006, 03:07:38 pm ---Regarding the comment that Ennis's lips didn't move when he said "I'm sorry": this is attributed to the fact that Ennis mutters most of the time, barely moving his lips. But most probably, in an intimate situation such as tis one, full facial muscle control is not usually employed. His physical closeness to Jack requires low volumn, therefore, little lip movement. Do your best imitation of Ennis and say "I'm sorry" and I think you'll see what I mean.
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That's right! Tried it and " 'm sorry" takes very little lip movement when you're whispering it.
Aussie Chris:
Nope, sorry folks. I tried like my life depended on it. I sat close to the speaker (I have a very good digital sound system) with the volume up so high that the incidental sounds (e.g. clinking, rustling, breathing) were on the verge of being painful. Nadda! I heard no "f*ck me" in TS1, and although Ennis' mouth does move in the shirts scene I heard no "I love you", just breathing. But "s'alright" is clear as day, and Jack's mouth movements seemed perfectly synchronised to these sounds to me.
Sorry if the rest has already been asked/said, the threads a little long to take it all in and I'm tired...
I'm not saying that y'all crazy or anything, but does this realistically seem like something that Jack would say, ever? Is it just as reasonable that you're hearing something that sounds like "F*ck Me", but could just as easily be soundtrack distortions, mastering errors and other related sound imperfections??? Even the Ennis "I love you" line, these just don't seem to fit the characters.
My verdict: the power of belief and/or suggestion, coupled with dvd/video mastering imperfections, and "excessive" familiarity (understanding) of the characters' thoughts and motivations, have lead to an unintended (by the film makers) interpretation.
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