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The mysterious "I love you" and other nearly indiscernible moments
Front-Ranger:
I never bothered to hide my trips to Bettermost because I thought nobody was interested in my family. I was logged in "forever" at home. My husband became curious one day and went in and read "all of my posts." (I don't think he read them all, but quite a few. He really blew up at first (didn't drop a dozen eggs tho) but when he thought about it he realized that it's something that keeps me sane. And he seems to understand...even says "Say hello to those Brokies" sometimes when I head off to the home office. Tho he still refuses to see the movie...
serious crayons:
Clearly, Lee, I'm an Ennis and you're a Jack -- or you were forced into the role of Jack, anyway.
If my husband read all my posts, I guess I'd have to tell him it don't mean nothin and threaten to make him eat the floor! And he's not that much against seeing the movie himself; he claims not to like romances, has never shown much interest. But if I forced the issue, he probably would. Nevertheless, he hasn't, and now I'm to the point of not even wanting to watch it with him.
Anyway ...now I'm straying pretty far OT, and I was the OP!
dly64:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on June 06, 2006, 04:23:18 pm ---You know how some people have said they think Ennis says "I love you" when he finds the shirts? Well, I have always been so skeptical about this that I've never even bothered to look for it.
But today I was skipping around my rental DVD, watching key scenes maybe for one the last time until fall. And I had the volume up higher than usual and noticed I kept hearing little muttered things that I hadn't heard in the past. So when I got to the shirt scene I decided to listen -- and watch -- really closely.
And now I think I agree.
I looked for it exactly the way I've tried to figure out "sorry/s'alright" -- watching for whether Ennis' lips move -- and in that scene they don't, which is why I moved to the "no sorry" camp. But in the closet scene his lips do move -- only you can hardly see it because the shirts are in the way. It's right after he takes a deep breath, trying to smell Jack's scent on the shirts. You can only see about a quarter inch of his mouth. But he moves as it if saying three words -- those three particular ones, in fact. And under the music, you can just barely hear something that sounds like three words being muttered.
I rewound and watched it about four more times with the volume cranked to 60 and my eyes about three inches away from the screen, and each time I became more and more convinced.
What do you all think?
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I vehemantly disagree with you on both points. The first one ... I am convinced Ennis does not say "I love you" when he is sniffing the shirts. After reading a quote from Diana Ossana, I believe I am right on that point:
When told of his daughter's impending wedding, Ennis (Heath Ledger) initially mentions having to work on her big day, but quickly reconsiders. "I reckon they can find themselves a new cowboy," he says.
"It is the first time in Ennis' life that he shifts his mind," Ossana points out. "It's also the only time he mentions love."
As for the "It's alright".... "I'm sorry" exchange. I feel strongly that does occur. Firstly, if you look at the subtitles, it says it. Sedcondly, you can definately see Ennis' lips move (although barely. Don't forget he hardly opens his mouth to say anything. Even the, "Jack, I swear ..." is hard to decipher). Lastly, if you turn up the volume, you can hear it.
Anyone else feel this same way?
welliwont:
--- Quote from: dly64 on June 23, 2006, 09:32:31 am ---
As for the "It's alright".... "I'm sorry" exchange. I feel strongly that does occur. Firstly, if you look at the subtitles, it says it. Sedcondly, you can definately see Ennis' lips move (although barely. Don't forget he hardly opens his mouth to say anything. Even the, "Jack, I swear ..." is hard to decipher). Lastly, if you turn up the volume, you can hear it.
Anyone else feel this same way?
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Hello dly64,
I guess you are fairly new here, so I will have to be the one to tell you that the "I'm sorry / s'awright" debate has been outlawed on the BetterMost board, could get you killed if you should come to discuss it here. :o
J
JCinNYC2006:
--- Quote from: dly64 on June 23, 2006, 09:32:31 am ---As for the "It's alright".... "I'm sorry" exchange. I feel strongly that does occur. Firstly, if you look at the subtitles, it says it. Sedcondly, you can definately see Ennis' lips move (although barely. Don't forget he hardly opens his mouth to say anything. Even the, "Jack, I swear ..." is hard to decipher). Lastly, if you turn up the volume, you can hear it.
Anyone else feel this same way?
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I had never participated in the debate about what's said in this scene, but seeing the movie in San Francisco rang a bell. The sound quality was really incredible...little details like the salt being shaken (thanks Ruby) and stuff like that. So when that second tent scene came up, it sounded very clearly like the exchange went: E-"I'm sorry." J-"It's alright, it's alright." Some of the other folks who came heard it the same way (right Nipith? :D I haven't 'gone to the video' yet to double check but I probably will at some point....
Juan
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