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Jack's and Ennis' gaydar
twistedude:
Pardon me all to hell for being all wrong. You did not consider ONE POINT I made...
I'll repeat the most salient: you cannot use something in the book to override something in the movie; they are two separate animals.
Anohter thing: they are not just two guys who fall in love, they are two gay gays that fall in love. There just doesn't happen to be any difference between straight guys and gay guys, that's all...not that there's anything wrong with that.
Is there some particular reason why you are talking to me like a hole-in-the ground? because I've seen the movie 27 times/ Have a fullscreen DVD?/ Have read the story about 50 times? have written about 30,000 words of fanrfictuion/, which has been read by over 2300 people since May 3? Or did I just express myself likie an idiot?
Oh yeah, I know the words don';t go with my avitar, but I liked the words, and have never seen the picture that went with them. That's of course the "It's nobody's busniess by ours" one, but I likie "Me neither" better. Jack is a great liar., he got it from his mother (have you met his father?)
dly64:
--- Quote from: julie01 on July 01, 2006, 02:32:13 am ---Pardon me all to hell for being all wrong. You did not consider ONE POINT I made...
I'll repeat the most salient: you cannot use something in the book to override something in the movie; they are two separate animals.
Anohter thing: they are not just two guys who fall in love, they are two gay gays that fall in love. There just doesn't happen to be any difference between straight guys and gay guys, that's all...not that there's anything wrong with that.
Is there some particular reason why you are talking to me like a hole-in-the ground? because I've seen the movie 27 times/ Have a fullscreen DVD?/ Have read the story about 50 times? have written about 30,000 words of fanrfictuion/, which has been read by over 2300 people since May 3? Or did I just express myself likie an idiot?
Oh yeah, I know the words don';t go with my avitar, but I liked the words, and have never seen the picture that went with them. That's of course the "It's nobody's busniess by ours" one, but I likie "Me neither" better. Jack is a great liar., he got it from his mother (have you met his father?)
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If, for some reason, I came off like a know-it-all snob, I regret that. That certainly was not my intention. I am a debater. I enjoy debating (or making an arguement) ... does that make me right? Absolutely not. Don't we have one main thing in common? We all love this film. We love this story. We feel passionate about Jack and Ennis. We want to talk with others about it and share opinions. I agree that the film is a different animal than the screenplay and the short story. However, both can be helpful in understanding the motivation of each of the characters.
Again, if I have offended you, that was not my intent. I was just arguing my point of view. That's it. I am sorry if it came off any other way.
David In Indy:
It doesn't surprise me that Jack could pick out Ennis. I can spot a gay man at 500 paces. Most gay people can. The problem is, my gaydar doesn't filter out closet cases.
Maybe I need to get an upgrade! ;)
dly64:
--- Quote from: julie01 on July 04, 2006, 03:47:43 am ---Sorry for getting mad. I've always thought it funny that film critics write THEIR view of films without acknowledging that others will have a different view because they are others.
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True .... I do find some of what they say to be helpful ... albeit they are certainly not the end all and be all of any given point of view.
OT - are you from Germany? Just curious ... I have a soft spot in my heart for Germany (and Switzerland) ... my ancestors are from there. They migrated to the US in the 1800's. BTW, you should also supply the link to your poem sites. There are some really beautiful writings in there. :)
twistedude:
I wonder if our opinions about Jack and Ennis's initial feelings have something to do with our own intitial sex exdperiences...they certainly do mine. Until I was 15, whatever sexual feelings I had were sublimated, or expressed themselves in a nameless restlessness (I'm thinking Ennis), and I had no idea why adults engaged in this ridiculous exercise until someone...showed me (again, at 15). So, of course, to me Ennis's "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity" seems like a completely non-gay comment (however it may have been changed since script 4--i only have Jan. 2003 and the present film screenplay). Ennis was innocent, because..i was innocent. Anyone else?
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