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BBM and Lonesome Dove
Front-Ranger:
Okay, I'm about to start right now!!
And, you're definitely right about Lightning Flat!
Here's proof! In this picture, I'm standing right across the "street" from the "twist House"!!
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on January 14, 2009, 12:35:31 am ---Okay, I'm about to start right now!!
And, you're definitely right about Lightning Flat!
Here's proof! In this picture, I'm standing right across the "street" from the "twist House"!!
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:D :D :D
retropian:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on January 14, 2009, 12:09:28 am ---Where did you post that, may I ask? I haven't seen it and I would love to read about it! One thing I really love about the story is the way Ennis adopted Jack's attributes (Lying "spread eagled" on the bed) while Jack adopted Ennis' attributes {trembling like a run-out horse, sleeping on his feet like a horse} and I didn't know these were well-established literary traditions!
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I watch the Lonesome Dove DVD in 2006 or 2007. One of the special features was an interview with Larry M. He and the interviewer discuss western literary tradition and specifically how virtually all novels about the relationship between friends are patterned after "Don Quixote". I posted about it on IMDB at the time because I thought it was very interesting given Larry M's connection to BBM.
And what do ya know! My original post on IMDB is archived here on Bettermost!
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,10759.msg209449/topicseen.html#msg209449
belbbmfan:
--- Quote from: retropian on January 13, 2009, 08:39:42 pm ---I watched the series on DVD not too long after BBM came out. I remember L.M. talking about how he had wished he's written BBM and questioning himself as to why he didn't think of it 1st and he mentioned Gus and Woodrow. SO, I watched it, and like it too. One of the DVD extras was an interview with L.M. circa 1989 when the series was made. He talked about how in literature a story involving a pair of friends is almost invariably patterned after "Don Quixote". I posted on IMDB ages ago about this. His point was the pair exchange qualities or character traits by the end. Frequently one character is a "dreamer" and the other a "realist", but in the end the realist adopts the dream of his friend as his own. That interview really made me think of Jack and Ennis and what L.M and D.O. were thinking when writing the screenplay. Did Jack and Ennis exchange character traits? Did Jack become the realist at the lake scene and finally give up on his dream of the sweet life with Ennis? Did Ennis after the lake scene, after the scene with Cassie "girls don't fall in love with fun". become open to following that dream?
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Wow!
After three years, there's still so much to learn about the story and movie. Thanks retropian for that observation.
I'd like to think that Ennis was more open to following that dream after the final lake scene. The movie was certainly more optimistic about that with Ennis declaring 'I can't stand this anymore Jack' at their final meeting.
I'm going to have a look at the bookstore and see if I can find Lonesome Dove. If not, I'll order it on Amazon.
Penthesilea:
--- Quote from: retropian on January 13, 2009, 08:39:42 pm ---I watched the series on DVD not too long after BBM came out. I remember L.M. talking about how he had wished he's written BBM and questioning himself as to why he didn't think of it 1st and he mentioned Gus and Woodrow. SO, I watched it, and like it too. One of the DVD extras was an interview with L.M. circa 1989 when the series was made. He talked about how in literature a story involving a pair of friends is almost invariably patterned after "Don Quixote". I posted on IMDB ages ago about this. His point was the pair exchange qualities or character traits by the end. Frequently one character is a "dreamer" and the other a "realist", but in the end the realist adopts the dream of his friend as his own. That interview really made me think of Jack and Ennis and what L.M and D.O. were thinking when writing the screenplay. Did Jack and Ennis exchange character traits? Did Jack become the realist at the lake scene and finally give up on his dream of the sweet life with Ennis? Did Ennis after the lake scene, after the scene with Cassie "girls don't fall in love with fun". become open to following that dream?
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Oh wow. I second what others have said about this post. It's excellent, retropian.
The concept is also knew to me, and it definitely fits Ennis and Jack (at least in parts). It also goes well with the yin-yang concept, as amanda already noticed.
I think a (tiny) bit of a dreamer has always been in Ennis: he wanted to be a sophomore because the thought the word carried a kind of distinction (that's sweet, isn't it? And being a foreign spekaer, I agree with him. The word was new to me and I also thought it sounds kind of elegant, or maybe noble); he was saving for his own spread, even if it was only 10 bucks in a tabacco can; he asked Jack "and what if we have to work again for Aguirre?" when the sheep were mixed, etc.
Will add more (about Jack) later. Gotta go now.
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