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BBM and Lonesome Dove
southendmd:
Sophomore is a great word. From the Greek "sophos" = wise, and "moros" =stupid.
Clyde-B:
I think the Don Quixote effect may be a reflection of real life.
I know that I am often attracted to people that have qualities that I feel I lack and would like to have myself. In the process of getting to know them and being with them, I often learn how they do what I admire and pick up that learning for myself. I assume that they do something similar.
It would seem that you would want to incorporate that facet of real relationships into fictional relationships as well.
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Clyde-B on January 14, 2009, 11:01:10 am ---I think the Don Quixote effect may be a reflection of real life.
I know that I am often attracted to people that have qualities that I feel I lack and would like to have myself. In the process of getting to know them and being with them, I often learn how they do what I admire and pick up that learning for myself. I assume that they do something similar.
It would seem that you would want to incorporate that facet of real relationships into fictional relationships as well.
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I wonder (and guess) that deeply entrenched literary traditions probably are reflections of aspects of real life. So, I agree with your observation here. If so many authors over so many generations and different cultures gravitate to a concept, there's probably some core of "truth" to it.
I always get excited to learn about ways and think about ways that BBM fits into wider literary and film traditions.
mariez:
--- Quote from: atz75 on January 13, 2009, 09:32:40 pm ---Heya Marie! Could you explain more about the series of books? Should readers read these in a particular order? How big is the full series?
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Hi Amanda! They were not written in chronological order, and I knew Lonesome Dove was written first - but I confirmed the specifics at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonesome_Dove_series
The Lonesome Dove Series is a series of four books written by Larry McMurtry. The order in which the books were written is:
Lonesome Dove (1985)
Streets of Laredo (1993)
Dead Man's Walk (1995)
Comanche Moon (1997)
However, the chronological order of the story is:
Dead Man's Walk
Comanche Moon
Lonesome Dove
Streets of Laredo
This series, which has also been adapted into several made-for-television movies, follows the exploits of several members of the Texas Ranger Division, from the time of the Republic of Texas up until the beginning of the twentieth century.
Recurring characters include Augustus "Gus" McCrae, Woodrow F. Call, Joshua Deets, Pea Eye Parker, Jake Spoon, Clara Forsythe Allen, Maggie Tilton, Lorena Wood Parker, Blue Duck, and Buffalo Hump.
Amanda, I would stick with reading Lonesome Dove first. After that, it might help to go back to Dead Man's Walk and Comanche Moon before tackling Streets of Laredo, which is very grim.
--- Quote from: retropian on January 13, 2009, 08:39:42 pm ---I watched the series on DVD not too long after BBM came out. I remember L.M. talking about how he had wished he's written BBM and questioning himself as to why he didn't think of it 1st and he mentioned Gus and Woodrow. SO, I watched it, and like it too. One of the DVD extras was an interview with L.M. circa 1989 when the series was made. He talked about how in literature a story involving a pair of friends is almost invariably patterned after "Don Quixote". I posted on IMDB ages ago about this. His point was the pair exchange qualities or character traits by the end. Frequently one character is a "dreamer" and the other a "realist", but in the end the realist adopts the dream of his friend as his own......
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Let me add my thanks for this, retropian! I had the same thoughts about pairs of friends, and I really like the Don Quixote referenc. I do agree that it's a reflection of real life.
Marie
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: mariez on January 14, 2009, 01:44:20 pm ---Hi Amanda! They were not written in chronological order, and I knew Lonesome Dove was written first - but I confirmed the specifics at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonesome_Dove_series
The Lonesome Dove Series is a series of four books written by Larry McMurtry. The order in which the books were written is:
Lonesome Dove (1985)
Streets of Laredo (1993)
Dead Man's Walk (1995)
Comanche Moon (1997)
However, the chronological order of the story is:
Dead Man's Walk
Comanche Moon
Lonesome Dove
Streets of Laredo
This series, which has also been adapted into several made-for-television movies, follows the exploits of several members of the Texas Ranger Division, from the time of the Republic of Texas up until the beginning of the twentieth century.
Recurring characters include Augustus "Gus" McCrae, Woodrow F. Call, Joshua Deets, Pea Eye Parker, Jake Spoon, Clara Forsythe Allen, Maggie Tilton, Lorena Wood Parker, Blue Duck, and Buffalo Hump.
Amanda, I would stick with reading Lonesome Dove first. After that, it might help to go back to Dead Man's Walk and Comanche Moon before tackling Streets of Laredo, which is very grim.
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Thanks Marie! I'm glad for the recommendation about reading Dead Man's Walk next when I decide to continue reading the series. :)
In a way, it reminds me of the Chronicles of Narnia, which were written/published originally out of the chronological order of the narrative. And, in that case I like reading the Chronicles out of chronological order and piecing things together... in the way that Lewis wrote them. Or... at least I know there's a literary controversy about the correct reading order.
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