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The Brokeback Mountain movie purposely did Jack as a whorl? Anniedid not at all?
Luvlylittlewing:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 07, 2009, 12:15:07 am ---The effect of Ennis's scene with OMT in the Twist kitchen is contingent upon both Ennis and OMT having an understanding that Jack did have an affair with Randall.
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Possibly. Or perhaps OMT mentioned the "affair" to hurt Ennis. I don't think the old man was so much angry that Jack was gay than as he failed to bring Ennis up there to whip the ranch into shape. Jack may have mentioned Randall to placate his father: that he would actually bring someone up there, perhaps after promising to move Ennis up; a move that never happened.
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 07, 2009, 12:19:51 am ---Jack had been to "Mexico" probably numerous times in the 20 years between 1963 and 1983, and probably had an ongoing dalliance with Randall - that fishing house on Lake Kemp came in handy. But, in the end, it was Ennis's shirt which was nestled in Jack's shirt, and in the closet scene in OMT's house, Ennis understood that in spite of Jack's wandering ways, it was Ennis that Jack loved, and vice versa.
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I don't believe that Jack went to Mexico until after Ennis rejected him following Ennis's divorce.
It doesn't matter if he was dating men or women when he was on the rodeo circuit... at that point he didn't believe he was in a relationship with Ennis. And had no real reason to think he'd ever see Ennis again. To me anything that happened between 63 and 67 with Jack really doesn't have much to do with Ennis (other than those people were probably Ennis-substitutes in his mind).
And, I believe that Jack was faithful to Ennis until Ennis's divorce. That's when Ennis blew it.
But, I do believe he had an affair with Randall. I don't see it as anything worse than Ennis dating Cassie.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Littlewing on April 07, 2009, 12:22:10 am ---1) Possibly. Or perhaps OMT mentioned the "affair" to hurt Ennis.
2) I don't think the old man was so much angry that Jack was gay than as he failed to bring Ennis up there to whip the ranch into shape.
3) Jack may have mentioned Randall to placate his father: that he would actually bring someone up there, perhaps after promising to move Ennis up; a move that never happened.
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1) And he couldn't know that he could "hurt" Ennis unless he understood 2 things: Jack had a close relationship with both Ennis and Jack. So, both OMT and Ennis knew that Jack had "affairs"
2) I agree completely with that practical aspect of OMT. He wouldn't have let Ennis in the door if he wasn't partially resigned to his son's activities. That doesn't mean that OMT was fighting for gay rights! :laugh: But he wasn't like Ennis's father - who seems to have been a probable murdering homophobe.
3) good point, that ties in with OMT's comment about how "none of Jacks ideas ever come to pass". one of the most poignant lines in the movie, to me that underneath the gruff laconic exterior, OMT had to have loved his son but didn't understand how to relate to him.
Luvlylittlewing:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 07, 2009, 12:28:55 am ---1) And he couldn't know that he could "hurt" Ennis unless he understood 2 things: Jack had a close relationship with both Ennis and Jack. So, both OMT and Ennis knew that Jack had "affairs"
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Jack had a close relationship with both Ennis and Jack? I don't understand, Brokeplex. How did OMT and Ennis know that Jack had affairs? I believe there was an unspoken rule between the two. Remember the Short leash? Jack knew that Ennis insisted their relationship be exclusive, or both would be queer: a big no-no for Ennis. Ennis was a homophobic gay man who didn't want to be queer ("Boys like you!"), and Jack went along (or he allowed Ennis to think he went along) which is why he was so secretive about his "affairs."
--- Quote ---2) I agree completely with that practical aspect of OMT. He wouldn't have let Ennis in the door if he wasn't partially resigned to his son's activities. That doesn't mean that OMT was fighting for gay rights! :laugh: But he wasn't like Ennis's father - who seems to have been a probable murdering homophobe.
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Agreed
--- Quote ---3) good point, that ties in with OMT's comment about how "none of Jacks ideas ever come to pass". one of the most poignant lines in the movie, to me that underneath the gruff laconic exterior, OMT had to have loved his son but didn't understand how to relate to him.
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I agree with this, as well. Man it feels good to talk about the movie again!
Monika:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 07, 2009, 12:28:55 am ---
2) I agree completely with that practical aspect of OMT. He wouldn't have let Ennis in the door if he wasn't partially resigned to his son's activities. That doesn't mean that OMT was fighting for gay rights! :laugh: But he wasn't like Ennis's father - who seems to have been a probable murdering homophobe.
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It could be denial. OMT knows, but doesn´t wanna know.
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