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The Brokeback Mountain movie purposely did Jack as a whorl? Anniedid not at all?
Monika:
--- Quote from: atz75 on April 07, 2009, 12:24:13 am ---
But, I do believe he had an affair with Randall. I don't see it as anything worse than Ennis dating Cassie.
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I guess why I react more strongly to Jack/Randall then Ennis/Cassie is that Cassie never is any real threath to Jack/Ennis. To me they are both clearly gay so the Ennis/Cassie relationship is clearly due to Ennis´s need to live a "normal" (which to him means heterosexual) life.
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on April 07, 2009, 03:11:01 am --- I guess why I react more strongly to Jack/Randall then Ennis/Cassie is that Cassie never is any real threath to Jack/Ennis. To me they are both clearly gay so the Ennis/Cassie relationship is clearly due to Ennis´s need to live a "normal" (which to him means heterosexual) life.
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Cassie was certainly a threat to the relationship between Jack and Ennis... she was one more excuse Ennis used to keep Jack away. After his divorce there was no real reason for him to try to build a relationship with anyone other than Jack.
And, Ennis's treatment of Cassie in and of itself, in and of itself was pretty poor... since all he was doing was using her to prop up a false image for himself.
I'm not saying that Jack's behavior was stellar. But, Ennis behaved equally poorly. And my point remains... that neither one of them would have cheated, in all likelihood, if Ennis had just said "yes" to building a real life and relationship with Jack.
In the form of relationship Ennis offered Jack as we see it (the painful meetings once or twice a year, demanding that Jack travel hundreds of miles each time, treating Jack like a dirty little secret, etc.), what was Ennis really giving Jack to commit to?
To me the biggest threat to the relationship always was Ennis's hang ups.
Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: atz75 on April 07, 2009, 09:15:22 am ---... neither one of them would have cheated, in all likelihood, if Ennis had just said "yes" to building a real life and relationship with Jack.
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Your words are so poignant friend. I would like to add that neither one of them would have strayed, if Wyoming and the World had just said "yes" to their building a life and relationship together.
Monika:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on April 07, 2009, 10:02:31 am ---Your words are so poignant friend. I would like to add that neither one of them would have strayed, if Wyoming and the World had just said "yes" to their building a life and relationship together.
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I think you nailed it, Lee. Ennis said no because he never thought he could do otherwise. To have said yes would have been completely out of character.
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on April 07, 2009, 10:02:31 am ---Your words are so poignant friend. I would like to add that neither one of them would have strayed, if Wyoming and the World had just said "yes" to their building a life and relationship together.
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--- Quote from: Buffymon on April 07, 2009, 10:58:47 am --- I think you nailed it, Lee. Ennis said no because he never thought he could do otherwise. To have said yes would have been completely out of character.
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It may have been out of character and, yes society provided a lot of obstacles to their relationship. But IMHO, Jack was right. They could have set up a life together. They really could have. I truly believe (more and more so as time as a Brokie passes) that Ennis was very short sighted about ways they could have made things work.
Staying apart didn't protect them from anything. They were miserable and Jack died young anyway. Nothing about the arrangement they set up based on Ennis's fears "worked." Jack would have been willing to take the risk(s) that living together might involve. He wasn't naive, but he was aware enough to realize that living happily... even for a little while... would be preferable to prolonged misery year after year.
Ennis's vision of a "normal" or "conventional" life not only ruined his relationship with Jack but it made a lot of other people miserable (the women who got dragged into this primarily). Living apart didn't even keep their relationship secret. By the end there's a long list of characters who know about their relationship (Aguirre, Lureen, Jack's parents, probably Junior had some hint of this...).
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