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Do you consider yourself a feminist? (A question for both women and men.)
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on March 15, 2009, 09:36:15 pm ---Women CEOs for FORTUNE 500 companies
There are more women running FORTUNE 500 companies this year than there were last year. Currently, 10 FORTUNE 500 companies are run by women* (up from 9 last year), and a total of 20 FORTUNE 1000 companies have women in the top job (up from 19).
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Wow, I went and googled, copied and was ready to paste the above paragraph as a rebuttal to your post, before I noticed that my rebuttal was actually already contained in your post!
Um ... 10 out of 500 CEOs? 20 out of 1000?
That's two percent, BTW.
And brokeplex, I'm already anticipating your response, about women choosing not to become CEOs or somesuch. Don't bother.
But I'd rather this thread not devolve into a debate on whether or not women already have achieved full equal rights. That seems like a good topic, though perhaps deserving of a whole thread of its own. I'd rather discuss whether people consider themselves feminists or, if they reject that label, why. Especially if they believe that women SHOULD have equal rights.
For example, brokeplex has not said anything to indicate he doesn't think women should have equal rights. And yet he does not consider himself a feminist. To me, that's contradictory. If you believe the first, you're automatically the second, IMO.
Brown Eyes:
I also wanted to add, that there seems to be a misperception that feminism has something to do with women/girls gaining rights or social stature at the expense of men/boys (as the posting of the "War on Boys" article suggests).
Feminism is about a goal of equal rights. And, the phrase that's often used, "gender equality", means just that... balance and fairness. It's not a game of winning and losing.
Social dynamics inevitably do shift for men as progress is made in women's rights (in whatever given culture being considered). The hope would be that the shifts and changes would be positive for men as well as for women. It might/does involve sharing power, and divying up roles, jobs, etc. in different ways and ways that might seem new to men.
But, feminism is not about girls getting a better education than boys. Or women taking all the jobs away from men. Etc. It's about getting an equal education and having a chance at the same types of jobs.
In terms of education and, perhaps especially things like sports there's still a lot of work to be done to improve things for girls. The fight for women's education has been very long and difficult over numerous generations.
louisev:
Considering that 51% of the US population is female, the astonishing revelation that there are 10 CEO's in the Fortune 500 who are women is a travesty, not a proof of opportunities for women.
And I don't really understand how anyone can maintain with a straight face that single women with children get automatic health care and support. Maybe you need to update your information. There are very nearly 50 MILLION Americans without any health care benefits at ALL. Of the now-state-managed TANF (Temporary Aid to Needy Families) program, there are only 13 million families nationwide receiving assistance. Does anyone here seriously believe that all of the disadvantaged single-mother-headed families receive public aid? This would be a joke, if it weren't so tragically sad that anyone can be so ignorant of the real situation of the poor in this country.
Monika:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on March 16, 2009, 04:02:42 pm ---I assume this is not a serious post.
but, just in case....it's somewhat hard not to be sarcastic. "what about the everyday world of poor women"? What about the everyday world of poor men? How about the everyday world of poor people? The overt sexism of this post is exemplory of the nature of feminism--focus only on women and the rest of the humankind are irrelevant.
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...yes feminism tend to focus on....females
just like black civil right groups tend to focus on...black people
and etc etc
it´s really not that complicated
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on March 16, 2009, 04:18:42 pm ---What a sexist thing to say! Is that the 'with us or against us' position that has appeared fairly promient in the feminist agenda?
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I don't know that it's "with us or against us" so much as it is simply how I define the term "feminist." Why, how do you define it? You sure seem to know a lot about feminism, so I'll be interested in hearing what you think it means.
--- Quote ---If supporting equal rights and not being a feminist is a contradiction, then I would like to know if you support equal rights for men, and if so, are you a masculinist?
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Of course I support equal rights for men. If that makes me a masculinist -- a word I've never heard, but oh well -- then that's just fine by me.
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