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Do you consider yourself a feminist? (A question for both women and men.)
louisev:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on March 16, 2009, 04:27:07 pm ---
the joke is the boloney that is being posted here. Are you at all aware, that almost 30% of "single parent" households are headed by men who receive only a fraction of what single mothers get in terms of aid? In fact, most single dad homes get no assistance whatsoever.
the aid is overwhelmingly skewed to women. Anyone denying that fact is like a holocaust denier; simply blind and abusively so.
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Dead wrong here, Kaiser.
There was a dramatic increase in single-parent families in the United States in the last three decades of the twentieth century; only 13 percent of families were headed by a single parent in 1970. Over one-fourth of children in the United States lived with a single parent in 1996, double the proportion in 1970. Approximately 84 percent of these families are headed by women. Of all single-parent families, the most common are those headed by divorced or separated mothers (58%) followed by never-married mothers (24%). Other family heads include widows (7%), divorced and separated fathers (8.4%), never-married fathers (1.5%), and widowers (0.9%). There is racial variation in the proportion of families headed by a single parent: 22 percent for white, 57 percent for black, and 33 percent for Hispanic families.
http://family.jrank.org/pages/1574/Single-Parent-Families-Demographic-Trends.html
58 plus 24 plus 7 = 89% of single parent families headed by women. Overwhelming majority. And I would really like to see your evidence that somehow single fathers are discriminated against in the public aid sector? Are you sure they are simply not eligible for aid because they work full time and make more money than single mothers with children? Or is it that they aren't custodial parents? Single parent heads of households have to actually be custodial parents to qualify for family aid under the new "slimmer" welfare benefits of the modern era.
Reality, not denial, and certainly not "Holocaust denial." IF you want to argue facts, then produce facts.
louisev:
And both of these articles are from 2001 - wow that's so much more up to date!
And that one states pretty clearly:
Single-father households still constitute only a small percentage of the overall picture. Married couples with children made up 24 percent of all households -- compared to 39 percent in 1970. Single-mother households represented 7 percent in 2000, up from 5 percent over 30 years ago.
Looked at another way, single-father homes made up 3 percent of the country's 71 million family households in 2000. Family households are those in which one or more people are related to the householder.
It still shows that single-mother led households are 7% vs. 3% of single-father led households.
And even 24% is a significant minority of single parent families. There is no 30%.
Your more controversial point about father's getting a "fraction of the aid" is not addressed in either article. Where do you get this information?
louisev:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on March 16, 2009, 04:27:07 pm ---
The point health care benefits is totally wrong; the poster mistakenly refers to health care benefits rather than insurance; very different items. health care benefits are available for those in need. anyone unaware of this is simply out of touch. Of the many who do not have health insurance, most are males and many opt out of the insurance game becaue they choose to spend their cash elsewhere.
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er, no. Health care benefits are not available to anyone in need in the USA. Health care is available ONLY on an emergency basis to indigent (i.e. penniless) persons ONLY at public hospitals, in the case of critical need. Not at doctor's offices. Not at dentist's offices, and not at private hospitals. So the BEST that could be said is that for the poor, and the uninsured without funds, only limited emergency care is available. To say that a person without health insurance and without money can walk into a doctor's office and receive care in the USA - is out of touch.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on March 16, 2009, 12:03:15 am ---Wow, I went and googled, copied and was ready to paste the above paragraph as a rebuttal to your post, before I noticed that my rebuttal was actually already contained in your post!
Um ... 10 out of 500 CEOs? 20 out of 1000?
That's two percent, BTW.
And brokeplex, I'm already anticipating your response, about women choosing not to become CEOs or somesuch. Don't bother.
But I'd rather this thread not devolve into a debate on whether or not women already have achieved full equal rights. That seems like a good topic, though perhaps deserving of a whole thread of its own. I'd rather discuss whether people consider themselves feminists or, if they reject that label, why. Especially if they believe that women SHOULD have equal rights.
For example, brokeplex has not said anything to indicate he doesn't think women should have equal rights. And yet he does not consider himself a feminist. To me, that's contradictory. If you believe the first, you're automatically the second, IMO.
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I responded to this challenge:
"Regarding women CEOs...I challenge you to name even 10 female CEOs in the Fortune 500!"
Of course women should and do have equal rights, except where they have more rights than men, such as in abortion decisions.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on March 16, 2009, 05:33:12 pm ---I responded to this challenge:
"Regarding women CEOs...I challenge you to name even 10 female CEOs in the Fortune 500!"
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LOL, they should have said 11.
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