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Do you consider yourself a feminist? (A question for both women and men.)
BelAir:
Hmnn... I wish there was an "other" answer on the poll.
I'll read others answers, and then maybe elaborate more.
Though in general, I'd go with other, because well, I don't feel I really know what I would be saying "yes" or "no" to...
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: mariez on March 16, 2009, 08:33:27 pm ---OMG, don't even get me started on "Thelma and Louise." I detested that movie, and was appalled and perplexed that so many people considered it a "feminist" movie. Not only did it glorify violence and vigilantism (blowing up the tanker truck was such a nice touch - ugh), there was also that repulsive scene where the Geena Davis character (I don't remember who was who) is just glowing one morning all because, as Susan Sarandon points out to her - she's finally been "f*cked good and proper" and by Brad Pitt, of course! Which, naturally, is just one of the reasons why they both believe it was all worth it and don't regret anything - right before the drive off a cliff and kill themselves. Good God. These are role models?
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Just different POVs. Other women saw them as glorifying the right to stand up and defend themselves, to not be intimidated and to actually enjoy their own bodies and right to their own sexual enjoyment, just to find out at the end, that the world had no place for women such as themselves. So they killed themselves.
IMO it was a really sad movie - and typical of movies about women who stand up and out from the norm, they have to die.
louisev:
--- Quote from: mariez on March 16, 2009, 08:33:27 pm ---OMG, don't even get me started on "Thelma and Louise." I detested that movie, and was appalled and perplexed that so many people considered it a "feminist" movie. Not only did it glorify violence and vigilantism (blowing up the tanker truck was such a nice touch - ugh), there was also that repulsive scene where the Geena Davis character (I don't remember who was who) is just glowing one morning all because, as Susan Sarandon points out to her - she's finally been "f*cked good and proper" and by Brad Pitt, of course! Which, naturally, is just one of the reasons why they both believe it was all worth it and don't regret anything - right before the drive off a cliff and kill themselves. Good God. These are role models?
I've never been a member of NOW either, and I also don't see them as synonymous with feminism. Throughout the years I've heard many things said by women who also consider themselves feminists that I don't agree with, but, to me, that's part of being a feminist - thinking for myself and not just following any group mentality.
Marie
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well, unfortunately for feminism, N.O.W. is "the largest feminist organization in the USA" and gets the most press and the most attention. So when they made Thelma and Louise their official mascots, they were speaking for the largest organized body of women's rights activists in this country. And I didn't want to have anything to do with them.
mariez:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on March 16, 2009, 09:11:33 pm ---Just different POVs. Other women saw them as glorifying the right to stand up and defend themselves, to not be intimidated and to actually enjoy their own bodies and right to their own sexual enjoyment, just to find out at the end, that the world had no place for women such as themselves. So they killed themselves.
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Yeah, I get that is what I was "supposed" to take away from the movie - but I didn't. IMO, there are a lot better ways to show women standing up for themselves and enjoying their own bodies. And I disagree with the notion depicted that there is no place for women who stand up for themselves or who enjoy their own bodies and the right to their own sexual enjoyment. I do both - and I'm very much alive. ;D
--- Quote from: louisev on March 16, 2009, 09:21:58 pm ---well, unfortunately for feminism, N.O.W. is "the largest feminist organization in the USA" and gets the most press and the most attention. So when they made Thelma and Louise their official mascots, they were speaking for the largest organized body of women's rights activists in this country. And I didn't want to have anything to do with them.
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Yes, I can definitely understand that, Louise. But does N.O.W. get as much press or attention as it used to? I don't think it does.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: mariez on March 16, 2009, 09:31:11 pm ---Yeah, I get that is what I was "supposed" to take away from the movie - but I didn't. IMO, there are a lot better ways to show women standing up for themselves and enjoying their own bodies. And I disagree with the notion depicted that there is no place for women who stand up for themselves or who enjoy their own bodies and the right to their own sexual enjoyment. I do both - and I'm very much alive. ;D
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Oh, I agree with you, but unfortunately the majority of the world is not Westernized, so it's still a pipe dream for most women.
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