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Giancarlo:
--- Quote from: starboardlight on July 23, 2006, 10:38:58 pm ---the process of turning gasoline into energy is a combustion process. that necessarily makes it a combustion engine.
and it will be gradual either way. introduction of the electric car is not going all the sudden shut down the petroleum industry. it's not an logical argument against using electric vehicle.
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I never said one should not use an electric vehicle, all I said is that a hybrid vehicle is better for everyone in the end.
starboardlight:
I'm just debating here. Don't take it personally. I do think hybrids are viable. But your blanket statement at the beginning that hybrids are more practical is too adamant. The hybrid is not the best solution. The electric will be better for some. Calculated at 1¢ per mile, it's certainly much more attractive and efficient than the hybrid, which at even 100 mpg, is still 3¢ per mile. And like I said, for many, the energy to power the EVs don't even have to come from the grid. People can set up their own solar charging units so that's renewable energy that even the hybrid can't claim to have. This is a reality. Tesla Motors have a package deal to set this up for their car buyers. However, even EVs are also not for everyone. And for many, public transportation is the best solution. You're statement that demand/supply necessarily dictate that price goes up with demand is also too narrow. There have been many cases where that's not true, and it doesn't have to be that way in the energy industry. I had to get into the specifics of econ theory to explain what I mean. If I lost you, I'm sorry. We econ geeks tend to forget that we have our own language at times. Economy of scale will drive the price down in the long run, and we'll begin to see this as green energy become more wide spread. With more options and competition, no one will have a monopoly, and we won't see the kind of manipulation we saw in the late 90's of California's market.
Giancarlo:
--- Quote from: starboardlight on July 23, 2006, 10:50:44 pm ---I'm just debating here. Don't take it personally. I do think hybrids are viable. But your blanket statement at the beginning that hybrids are more practical is too adamant. The hybrid is not the best solution. The electric will be better for some. Calculated at 1¢ per mile, it's certainly much more attractive and efficient than the hybrid, which at even 100 mpg, is still 3¢ per mile. And like I said, for many, the energy to power the EVs don't even have to come from the grid. People can set up their own solar charging units so that's renewable energy that even the hybrid can't claim to have. This is a reality. Tesla Motors have a package deal to set this up for their car buyers. However, even EVs are also not for everyone. And for many, public transportation is the best solution. You're statement that demand/supply necessarily dictate that price goes up with demand is also too narrow. There have been many cases where that's not true, and it doesn't have to be in the energy industry. With more options and competition, no one will have a monopoly, and we won't see the kind of manipulation we saw in the late 90's of California's market.
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To me Hybrids are the best solution and that is what I notice, especially when it comes to city areas. Hybrids are better, more effective and more efficient. And $.01 a mile? That's unsubstantiated. You're just not broadminded enough to talk to. Speaking of blanket statements... they are all over your rantings.
starboardlight:
1¢ a mile is very much substantiated. It's been recorded when the GM EV1 and EV2 were on the road, as well as when Toyata had their RAV4 EV in the California market. And that was when the California electricity price was being manipulated by Enron in the late 90's. Electricity price can continue to come down.
btw, there is a difference between the best solution to you and the best solution for everybody. The best solution for everybody is to have options, that's always been proven in economic history.
Giancarlo:
--- Quote from: starboardlight on July 23, 2006, 10:58:26 pm ---btw, there is a difference between the best solution to you and the best solution for everybody. The best solution for everybody is to have options, that's always been proven in economic history.
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Another dumb blanket statement. You don't speak for "everybody". We need hybrids more. It is more practical.
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