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Why is the "dozy embrace" in the film?
dly64:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on July 29, 2006, 04:05:36 pm ---Very perceptive comments. I just have a question about the first one. I thought Ennis said "Xcuse me daughter" when he was being drug to the dance floor.
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I’m fairly sure he says, “excuse me darlin’ ….” BTW – Cassie’s dragging off Ennis to the dance floor IMO, is Cassie’s way of giving Alma, Jr. the finger. Like, “I’ll show you. He loves me ….” However, ultimately, her attempts to keep Ennis have failed. Alma, Jr. was right from the get go …. Her “daddy” was not the marrying kind and Cassie was not “the one”.
--- Quote from: fernly on July 29, 2006, 04:17:58 pm ---On the other hand, taking a look at possible sadder interpretations-
First, given Ennis' misery while pushing that pie around, (if that stands for how he was feeling that whole summer/early fall), I wonder if he might have signed that card more formally anyway given the way they might have ended up parting at the lake.
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Fern – your post overlapped with mine … so I wanted to just go back and reply to a few things you have said.
IMO, I don’t think Ennis signed the card intentionally to be more formal. Again, I think it goes back to the fact that he was no longer just a boy named “Ennis”. He became a man with a name and a history. What we don’t see is the card that Ennis sent Jack when he got the divorce. My guess is he signed that “Ennis del Mar” as well … but we’ll never know for sure.
--- Quote --- And back to the beginning - when Ennis gave just his first name, maybe that can also be seen as him trying to stand separate from what his father left him, not just "del Mar", but that "sea" of pain and homophobia Ennis would end up swimming (drowning?) in the rest of his life. Jack's prodding him to give his full name maybe can be heard as how Jack would, for the rest of Ennis' life, push Ennis (not necessarily overtly, but just by the fact of their relationship) to admit to who he was and what he ought to be dealing with.
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I never thought of that, but I think there is validity in what you are saying. There was a posting somewhere else that gave a definition of “del Mar”. Although I can’t remember it all … it is important to note that “mar” is defined as “to detract from the perfection or wholeness”. And, going back to the “dozy embrace” … for Jack, “nothing marred” the memory (even though Jack knew that Ennis “did not want to see or feel that it was Jack he held” … according to the book and screenplay … which is up for debate).
dly64:
--- Quote from: jpwagoneer1964 on July 29, 2006, 04:55:09 pm ---And remember the clock on Jack's dresser, stopped at a quarter to nine, hands together.
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I completely missed the clock metaphors. Something else to watch for!
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: dly64 on July 29, 2006, 05:24:00 pm ---I’m fairly sure he says, “excuse me darlin’ ….” BTW – Cassie’s dragging off Ennis to the dance floor IMO, is Cassie’s way of giving Alma, Jr. the finger. Like, “I’ll show you. He loves me ….” However, ultimately, her attempts to keep Ennis have failed. Alma, Jr. was right from the get go …. Her “daddy” was not the marrying kind and Cassie was not “the one”.
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Well, I just consulted the STS book and there's nothing in this version of the published screenplay to help with what Ennis says here. In the published screenplay it looks like Ennis wasn't supposed to say anything to Alma Jr. as he heads to the dance floor with Cassie (it just says that he's supposed to look at Alma Jr.). So, it seems that whatever Ennis says here was improvised maybe. I've always heard "darlin" (but maybe it's because I've really been listening hard for the appearance of that word somewhere in the movie), but it seems possible that he says "daughter" (as Lee hears it). Maybe I'll watch that scene tonight with the subtitles on (as if that really helps much).
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Ellemeno:
--- Quote from: dly64 on July 29, 2006, 05:24:00 pm ---I?m fairly sure he says, ?excuse me darlin?
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That's what I hear.
dly64:
I checked the subtitles (and although that doesn't mean it is the end all ...) it says:
"Excuse me darlin' ..."
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