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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
twtplanner:
Nevermore, you make great points in how casually certain words/terms are thrown around, almost always at the expense of someone else or the opposite sex. While it was filled with justification and incredulously, contained yet another insult (in the midst of saying 'sorry' at the first) to a woman, I hope the above apology cuts it.
terry
oilgun:
--- Quote from: twtplanner on May 16, 2009, 09:31:55 am ---Nevermore, you make great points in how casually certain words/terms are thrown around, almost always at the expense of someone else or the opposite sex. While it was filled with justification and incredulously, contained yet another insult (in the midst of saying 'sorry' at the first) to a woman, I hope the above apology cuts it.
terry
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Filled with justification?! I even said I wasn't trying to justify anything! That means I am taking responsibility for he insult but also indicating how easy it is for discussions to deteriorate when insults are thrown around without being challenged. If you have a problem with my post, why not address me, instead of just fanning the flames?!
Yeah and my alleged woman comment was my way to introduce some humour into the post, I forgot the smiley face.
Kelda:
--- Quote from: Nevermore on May 16, 2009, 05:49:33 am ---
Congratulations, all, on missing the point. And where did Michael Savage come from?
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Nevermore if you looked back at my comment, my comment was not directed at you. :)
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Nevermore on May 16, 2009, 05:49:33 am ---Congratulations, all, on missing the point.
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I didn't miss anybody's point, thank you very much. My post that you quoted was a response to Kelda and Retropian, whose posts immediately preceded mine, and not to anything else. I think my response was quite pertinent to their posts. :)
Marge_Innavera:
--- Quote from: oilgun on May 16, 2009, 09:13:53 am ---Please unroll your eyes, it's gotta hurt lol! I apologize for calling Sarah Palin, an alledged women, a Bitch. "It came from the heart and I meant no offense." ;) I have to say however, that in a bizarre way, I felt comfortable using the word Bitch because of all the anti-gay shit I was reading that seemed to go unchallenged here. I'm not trying o justify it, it was horribly passive-aggressive of me, just trying to show how things can quickly deteriorate.
Is it still okay to call Michael Savage a Bastard? (my post explains why I brought him up) Probably not. I think it would be a good idea to stop this childish name-calling even if "it comes from the heart" and we "mean no offense". So from now on i will make every effort to keep my level of discussion civil and free of gratuitous insults. :)
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I'm aware that there are certain words that provoke hyper-hysterical responses in Current Events; and apparently here as well. I have no problem calling Palin and California's Anti-Gay Spokesperson bitches; nor would I have a problem calling Michael Weiner a bastard or SOB. Let no one waste their time asking for apologies for that from me; they're not going to get one.
One of the things that's been showcased in this and other controversies is how selective most peoples' notions of "free speech" is, at all points of the political spectrum. There's been much weeping, wailing and pontificating about how California's Anti-Gay Spokesperson is being "attacked" for 1) stating her opinion, 2) "standing up for Jesus" and/or 3) standing up for the "family" decency, morality, and nostalgia for the days when America was mythically populated by hard-working Christian heterosexual white people. So she had a right to say what she did. And guess what? People who are offended have exactly the same right to speak up, whether any conservatives here want to be reminded of that or not.
Part of the conundrum in this whole controversy is that at this stage in American history, commenting on same-sex marriage essentially amounts to commenting on a civil rights issue. (No apologies for using that term either.) In that sense, it was probably an inappropriate question to ask in a beauty pageant. But on the other hand, if California's Anti-Gay Spokesperson wanted to respond that gay people are just lovely as long as they stay in their place, then people who find that offensive had bloody well better speak up and they have a right to do that.
One aspect of the desire in some quarters for California's Anti-Gay Spokesperson to resign that hasn't gotten much ink or hot air is that in parleying this incident into a career as a professional right-wing spokesperson she's saddled herself with an image that would get in the way. When Anita Bryant embarked on her homophobic crusade her contracts as a pitchwoman for orange juice was dropped and the wingnuts of that era did much of the same bleating that we're hearing now. But there really wasn't any other choice. People viewing her orange juice commercials wouldn't be thinking of orange juice; they'd be thinking of the whole controversy one way or another. Similarly, that's going to be a stumbling block California's Anti-Gay Spokesperson would face in representing.... well, whatever the hell it is a galactic beauty queen is supposed to represent.
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