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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 25, 2009, 11:01:05 pm ---Well she has come out several times and said she was just being honest, and so I have no reason to doubt her honesty and thus the fact that she is indeed, a bigot.
It already is a hard process Bill. She doesn't have any reasonable understanding of why she believes what she believes. They are all based on her religious beliefs - which, as that pastor pointed out - are already skewed. Her brand of religion teaches her that gay people are abominations and thus are not 'normal' people. Thus, she feels that only what is normal is what should be allowed.
This isn't anything you can reason with. She has to make the decision to overcome her learned bigotry or she will continue to hold onto these beliefs, illogical though they are.
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again, and again you and others make assumptions about Ms Prejean. Talk about "rush to judgement"!
I am looking for the rhetorical "smoking gun" that tells me she is the bigot that several people have agreed that she is - and I can't find it.
If she is not in favor of same sex marriage, that means that I disagree with her, but it doesn't make her a bigot.
If she holds gays up to derision and scorn, a la radio talk show host Michael Savage who also opposes same sex marriage, then she would be a bigot.
Until then I will make the assumption that she does not understand that a discussion of same sex marriage is really a discussion of civil rights, and I will assume that she can be witnessed to and her heart changed. I could be wrong and fail, but assuming that she is a bigot guarantees failure.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 26, 2009, 09:03:34 pm ---or will the incredibly harsh overreacting of some people make her believe what her parents, church, etc were correct?
if Perez had had any class at all...and instead called her on it in an intelligent rational manner; how much more likely would she have been to listen? the overreaction of Perez and his ilk, drives moderates away and confirms the stereotypes the true bigots hold.
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Very well stated Jess. Nice post.
Artiste:
Good that she lost!
maybe she will now open her heart to humanity...
yes or no...
Au revoir,
hugs!
oilgun:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 26, 2009, 08:36:41 pm ---How do you figure? If she said the same thing about black people would you still think she wasn't being a bigot?
It's just that simple. Replace gay people with blacks or Jews or any ethnicity of your choice and let me know what you think.
No one is a bigot for honestly expressing their opinions. But their opinions can certainly make them a bigot.
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It IS just that simple. For reasonable thinking people anyway... ;)
I just want to say how impressed I am with your amazing patience, Del. I get way too emotional dealing with the right, while reading this thread I must have started three replies that I'm sure if I had posted them, they would have been deleted and gotten me banned from the forum.
I can't believe that people are defending religious homophobia on a BbM forum. :o
louisev:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 25, 2009, 10:53:07 pm --- :laugh: :laugh:
No serious questions allowed!
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hahahahah. Seriously, everybody knows Mario, and everyone should have assumed that he was going to ask a question about gay marriage. Considering how much of a big news item it has been. The problem is that SOMEBODY didn't coach Miss California in a more politically correct answer and she went with her Bible - er, gut.
Is she a bigot? Only to the extent that fundamentalist Christians don't believe in civil rights for gays, and she happens to be one of them. Maybe her previous pageants didn't reveal the fact that she belongs to an intolerant minority group, but chances are something was going to trip her up if she started Bible thumping at an inconvenient moment.
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