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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
injest:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 27, 2009, 10:19:24 pm ---You are making generalizations that don't hold up under even a casual analysis of the Prop 8 election and the exit polls.
It is a remarkable stretch to say that all people who went to the polls and voted for Prop 8 voted that way because they "think gays are sick and abnormal - because of their ick factor or because of their religious upbringing"
included among the main reasons Obama handily carried CA handily but Prop 8 passed are:
1) Revulsion among moderate liberals and independents towards the tactics of the Anti Prop 8 campaign - the same types of angry labellings, sneerings, and sweeping generalizations were the rule among the anti Prop 8 supporters that we see here coming from some of those who condemn Ms Prejean as a bigot. In fact, Mr Lavandeira (aka Hilton) must have written the campaign manual for the anti Prop 8 folks, as he sounds just like them.
2) An increasing discomfort among both conservatives and moderates when public policy is being made by the Judiciary. In this case the Supremes in CA overturned a previous referendum in which the voters of CA by very wide margins disapproved of same sex marriage.
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add in some VERY bad judgement by supporters of gay marriage...for example the teacher that took her elementary school class to her wedding as a field trip, playing into the oppositions belief that if gay marriage were to remain legal more such things would happen.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 27, 2009, 10:26:46 pm ---add in some VERY bad judgement by supporters of gay marriage...for example the teacher that took her elementary school class to her wedding as a field trip, playing into the oppositions belief that if gay marriage were to remain legal more such things would happen.
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there seemed to be an astonishing lack of practical political instincts in the Anti Prop 8 campaign in CA, and among their supporters. hopefully same sex marriage advocates have viewed this as a teachable moment and the lessons of their remarkable failure have been learned.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 27, 2009, 10:31:56 pm ---hopefully same sex marriage advocates have viewed this as a teachable moment and the lessons of their remarkable failure have been learned.
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That's what I'm hoping. The Gay Party made plenty of mis-steps.
Artiste:
That Miss California did not deserve to be a crown... as she is a bigot to humanity!
And since someone says:
Hating gays and not wanting them to have full civil rights is the last acceptable bigotry in America. , may I add that much needs to be down yet to be accepted as a gay person even in the USA! And much more in Islam, etc., and even in non-religious regimes like China who placed gays in prison (and maybe totured them or murdered them) for their recent Olympics!
Also, may it be noted that the USA, Canada and some other nations should be ashamed to what they did to First Nations and still do, unfortunately.
Any news...
au revoir,
hugs!
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 27, 2009, 10:19:24 pm ---You are making generalizations that don't hold up under even a casual analysis of the Prop 8 election and the exit polls.
It is a remarkable stretch to say that all people who went to the polls and voted for Prop 8 voted that way because they "think gays are sick and abnormal - because of their ick factor or because of their religious upbringing"
included among the main reasons Obama handily carried CA handily but Prop 8 passed are:
1) Revulsion among moderate liberals and independents towards the tactics of the Anti Prop 8 campaign - the same types of angry labellings, sneerings, and sweeping generalizations were the rule among the anti Prop 8 supporters that we see here coming from some of those who condemn Ms Prejean as a bigot. In fact, Mr Lavandeira (aka Hilton) must have written the campaign manual for the anti Prop 8 folks, as he sounds just like them.
2) An increasing discomfort among both conservatives and moderates when public policy is being made by the Judiciary. In this case the Supremes in CA overturned a previous referendum in which the voters of CA by very wide margins disapproved of same sex marriage.
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I wasn't just speaking of California. Don't forget, voters in Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon and Utah all approved anti-same-sex marriage amendments by double-digit margins. What mistakes were made there?
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