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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
Katie77:
Hey Oilgun......I take offence when you insinuate that people here are "defending religious homophobia on this forum".
I for one, do not defend any type of homophobia, whether it be religious, ingnorence, social or whatever.
We are talking about whether the term bigot applies to this person, not whether we agree with her opinion.
"Bigot" is a very strong tag to put on someone, it's meaning conjures up words such as "hatred" and "violence", which there has been no signs of from this particular person.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on April 27, 2009, 08:25:43 pm ---Hey Oilgun......I take offence when you insinuate that people here are "defending religious homophobia on this forum".
I for one, do not defend any type of homophobia, whether it be religious, ingnorence, social or whatever.
We are talking about whether the term bigot applies to this person, not whether we agree with her opinion.
"Bigot" is a very strong tag to put on someone, it's meaning conjures up words such as "hatred" and "violence", which there has been no signs of from this particular person.
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Perhaps it does to you Katie, but I've grown up around bigots. I have friends/relatives who are bigots. Most of them are nice, friendly, honest and upfront. Those traits still don't change the fact that they are bigots. Don't labor under the mistaken idea that bigots are slavering, abuse-yelling skinheads, sheet wearing KKK members or "God Hates Fags" poster waving Phelps zombies. Majority of them are perfectly nice people who went to the polls and voted down gay marriage proposals because they think gays are "sick" and "abnormal" because of their "ick" factor or because of their religious upbringing.
injest:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 27, 2009, 08:54:23 pm ---Perhaps it does to you Katie, but I've grown up around bigots. I have friends/relatives who are bigots. Most of them are nice, friendly, honest and upfront. Those traits still don't change the fact that they are bigots. Don't labor under the mistaken idea that bigots are slavering, abuse-yelling skinheads, sheet wearing KKK members or "God Hates Fags" poster waving Phelps zombies. Majority of them are perfectly nice people who went to the polls and voted down gay marriage proposals because they think gays are "sick" and "abnormal" because of their "ick" factor or because of their religious upbringing.
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and for you the audacity of not agreeing with your point of view makes people bigots. That sounds bigoted to me. you are clinging to your opinion. you are expressing hatred.
People have a right to their thoughts.
louisev:
dictionary check:
Del is using the term correctly. Bigotry is focusing a hatred or dislike against a class of people for holding a belief different from one's own or for an innate quality they exhibit That applies to disliking blacks for the color of their skin, Asians for having an epicanthic fold, and gays for having sexual desire for the same sex. See also: intolerance.
It would be somewhat arguable that one may dislike someone for exhibiting intolerance - pretty much the only people who WOULD like a bigot are those who agree with him. or her.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 27, 2009, 08:54:23 pm --- Majority of them are perfectly nice people who went to the polls and voted down gay marriage proposals because they think gays are "sick" and "abnormal" because of their "ick" factor or because of their religious upbringing.
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You are making generalizations that don't hold up under even a casual analysis of the Prop 8 election and the exit polls.
It is a remarkable stretch to say that all people who went to the polls and voted for Prop 8 voted that way because they "think gays are sick and abnormal - because of their ick factor or because of their religious upbringing"
included among the main reasons Obama handily carried CA handily but Prop 8 passed are:
1) Revulsion among moderate liberals and independents towards the tactics of the Anti Prop 8 campaign - the same types of angry labellings, sneerings, and sweeping generalizations were the rule among the anti Prop 8 supporters that we see here coming from some of those who condemn Ms Prejean as a bigot. In fact, Mr Lavandeira (aka Hilton) must have written the campaign manual for the anti Prop 8 folks, as he sounds just like them.
2) An increasing discomfort among both conservatives and moderates when public policy is being made by the Judiciary. In this case the Supremes in CA overturned a previous referendum in which the voters of CA by very wide margins disapproved of same sex marriage.
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