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Tale of a 19th-century abortion provider
Monika:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on June 08, 2009, 03:09:58 pm ---Nope. Again, he participated in "launching" the project,
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* :laugh:
Monika:
--- Quote from: milomorris on June 08, 2009, 12:08:07 am ---they can certainly compensate the man for his investment (time, money, etc.) in the relationship,
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You mean that the man should be paid for having had a relationship with a woman who doesn´t want to carrry his children. ´How do we know the woman didn´t tell him this from the beginning. Is having kids the ultimate goal for every relationship? Hardly. A man has no right to claim any money for willingly having entered a relationship. For god´s sake.
I bet he did get something out of the relationship during it, or he wouldn´t have been in it at all. He shouldn´t get paid. Unless he was a gigolo of course. ;D
Mikaela:
I'm reading through this recent part of the discussion and strangely enough it makes me happy!!
It makes me happy because the whole discussion about who should pay what to whom etc. only makes any kind of sense on the basis that;
- Women have a real choice and actual possibility of terminating their pregnancy if they should so decide, and
- Many men actually want to see their child (however unplanned or however inconvenient the timing) born into the world, want to be a present and caring father, independently of their current relationship with the mother of the baby.
Remember the old days when women were frequently sent packing by their illegitimate child's father as soon as they became pregnant, the man caring not a whit what happened to his own flesh and blood?
Remember that law that Afghanistan very nearly passed some months ago, making it illegal for women to deny their husbands sex - and allowing marriage for girls down to 9 years of age? And of course, with no choice at all for the poor girl/woman but to go through with any resulting pregnancies from such a horrific "marriage"/sex slave situation.
Remember all the women today, all the world over, who have little or no access to contraception and have no choice at all when they become pregnant, no matter what the circumstances?
Boy, we are the lucky ones - and we should guard and protect our rights and fight to maintain them accordingly. We didn't reach this stage in women's rights by mere chance and coincidence. And it could so easily be taken away.
Sophia:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on June 08, 2009, 03:52:14 pm ---I'm reading through this recent part of the discussion and strangely enough it makes me happy!!
It makes me happy because the whole discussion about who should pay what to whom etc. only makes any kind of sense on the basis that;
- Women have a real choice and actual possibility of terminating their pregnancy if they should so decide, and
- Many men actually want to see their child (however unplanned or however inconvenient the timing) born into the world, want to be a present and caring father, independently of their current relationship with the mother of the baby.
Remember the old days when women were frequently sent packing by their illegitimate child's father as soon as they became pregnant, the man caring not a whit what happened to his own flesh and blood?
Remember that law that Afghanistan very nearly passed some months ago, making it illegal for women to deny their husbands sex - and allowing marriage for girls down to 9 years of age? And of course, with no choice at all for the poor girl/woman but to go through with any resulting pregnancies from such a horrific "marriage"/sex slave situation.
Remember all the women today, all the world over, who have little or no access to contraception and have no choice at all when they become pregnant, no matter what the circumstances?
Boy, we are the lucky ones - and we should guard and protect our rights and fight to maintain them accordingly. We didn't reach this stage in women's rights by mere chance and coincidence. And it could so easily be taken away.
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Yes, we are very fortunate to decide what we would like to do with our body. But still there are a lot of pressure from other people around us to tell us what is the best thing for us ( like the REALLY now!!!)
I think the discussion would be about how it comes that people don't use protection like the best defence ever; condoms
Sophia:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on June 08, 2009, 03:43:02 pm --- You mean that the man should be paid for having had a relationship with a woman who doesn´t want to carrry his children. ´How do we know the woman didn´t tell him this from the beginning. Is having kids the ultimate goal for every relationship? Hardly. A man has no right to claim any money for willingly having entered a relationship. For god´s sake.
I bet he did get something out of the relationship during it, or he wouldn´t have been in it at all. He shouldn´t get paid. Unless he was a gigolo of course. ;D
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Totally Agree!! ;D
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