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Love vs. Lust (split off from Things that make you go 'hunh?')
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Mandy21 on August 01, 2009, 09:34:47 pm ---Well, Jeff and Lee, I'm offended by both of your remarks about my comment. I was truly concerned that Jeff's tone had changed suddenly and was worried about him. I certainly do know men, and I take offense at his comment that I don't. I was also rather appalled at the language being used, and I'm certainly not a prude; I just didn't find it appropriate on this particular forum. Whatever, maybe I shouldn't be here at all if this is the way people are going to talk about each other these days. Last time I checked, there was a rule about saying cruel things about people. Guess that's changed.
Was a good topic, Laura. Sorry it went astray.
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I'll have to say, Mandy, that neither Jeff's nor Lee's comments seemed out of line to me. Jeff's initial post seemed to be commenting on a generalized aspect of male behavior -- not true for every man all the time, of course, but I didn't gather he was saying that.
In any case, as a bystander I didn't take their comments to be cruel or intended to cause offense. :-\
Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on August 02, 2009, 01:14:56 am ---
In any case, as a bystander I didn't take their comments to be cruel or intended to cause offense. :-\
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No, I did not want to offend ennione and I apologize if I've inadvertently done so. My comments came from two sources: 1) my direct experiences as a friend of gay men for the last several years and 2) recent readings from books on sexuality including The Female Brain and The Time Falling Bodies Come to Light. I am also a friend of Jeff's, recently spent a week with him in Wyoming and was trying to shed a little light on his comments since he is on a cross-country train trip right now and won't be able to speak further with us about this for quite a while.
SFEnnisSF:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on August 01, 2009, 12:27:26 am ---
And of course Jack, though quite sad, coped with their job's sudden end better than Ennis, because he hadn't been denying the core truth of their relationship to himself.
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Wow! Never thought of it like that!
SFEnnisSF:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on August 01, 2009, 10:47:03 pm ---
In the context of Brokeback Mountain, Ennis has mistaken the sex with Jack for animalistic rutting. It's part of his denial. ("This is just a one-shot thing" etc.) In truth, their relationship is much bigger and more emotionally substantial than that, for both parties. Ennis only realizes this later.
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Again, brilliant way to put it. It's why he's in the alley feeling his "guts torn out" and he can't explain why...
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on August 01, 2009, 04:54:07 pm ---That Jeff Wrangler...he went off on his train Odyssey and left us with a cliffhanger!! But I'll bet when he checks in again he'll say he's not bitter about ennithing, and he didn't just break up with ennione, he's just 'splaining for you how things are with men...or perhaps I should say, the male animal. Capable of the deepest love and able to explore a universe of love, lust and sensuality, somtimes for the man (and for the woman too, I dare say) it's just fucking.
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Really.
Thanks, FRiend Lee. :)
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