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Love vs. Lust (split off from Things that make you go 'hunh?')
Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on August 24, 2009, 02:53:14 pm --- I don´t think there´s a big difference at all when it comes to men and women in that area.
The whole thing about women always craving an emotional bond before engaging in sex..*cough*
Believe me, sometimes women, too, just want to screw.
Women and men aren´t really all that different.
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You bet, friend!
Kerry:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on August 24, 2009, 02:53:14 pm --- I don´t think there´s a big difference at all when it comes to men and women in that area.
The whole thing about women always craving an emotional bond before engaging in sex..*cough*
Believe me, sometimes women, too, just want to screw.
Women and men aren´t really all that different.
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Yep, I agree. It takes two to tango, as the saying goes. I know of at least one lesbian friend acquaintance who admits to visiting female prostitutes. And it ain't for the "emotional bond," from what I understand. ;) ;D
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on August 24, 2009, 02:53:14 pm ---Women and men aren´t really all that different.
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My opinion is that they are at least somewhat different. Do women ever just want what Erica Jong called a "zipless fuck"? Sure. But because of either biology or society or some mixture of the two, women most of the time to look for an emotional connection. Men often look for emotional connections, too, of course, but they can do without them more easily.
Here's a test. How many women here are easily aroused by a magazine photo of a naked man or woman? For myself, I'd say it's pretty close to never. Not that I represent all women, obviously. But I would guess that there's a reason the vast majority of magazine pictures of naked people, of either gender, are intended for men. A two-dimensional image of a stranger, howeve attractive, does not do it for me.
I'm much more likely to find, for example, a movie character sexy. Why? Because then there's the illusion of an emotional connection. Watching the movie, I feel like I "know" something about the person.
BTW, I don't see this as a moral judgment about either men or women. It just is what it is.
Monika:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on August 25, 2009, 10:19:13 am ---My opinion is that they are at least somewhat different. Do women ever just want what Erica Jong called a "zipless fuck"? Sure. But because of either biology or society or some mixture of the two, women most of the time to look for an emotional connection. Men often look for emotional connections, too, of course, but they can do without them more easily.
Here's a test. How many women here are easily aroused by a magazine photo of a naked man or woman? For myself, I'd say it's pretty close to never. Not that I represent all women, obviously. But I would guess that there's a reason the vast majority of magazine pictures of naked people, of either gender, are intended for men. A two-dimensional image of a stranger, howeve attractive, does not do it for me.
I'm much more likely to find, for example, a movie character sexy. Why? Because then there's the illusion of an emotional connection. Watching the movie, I feel like I "know" something about the person.
BTW, I don't see this as a moral judgment about either men or women. It just is what it is.
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I don´t recognise myself in that. I often find pictures sexy as well as characters in a book. And how many women don´t have pictures of male models flaunting their abs and whatnot on their walls?
We seem to have different experiences regarding this. Perhaps the lesson to be learned is that we shouldn´t make any generalisations about what women supposedly want or not want at all?
louisev:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on August 24, 2009, 02:43:44 pm --- Very interesting, Laura.
I´ve interpreted that to mean that Ennis was admitting to himself that he had sex with a man. After all, sex can be just that...sex. But an embrace..especially a sexless one as the dozy embrace implies something else...tenderness...feelings. I don´t think Ennis was ready to admitt that he was holding a man in an embrace that wasn´t a prelude to sex.
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This I very much agree with. And when he embraced Jack, he was hemmed in by fear of what others would do to him if they saw him do so (the scene where he pulls away from Jack when a truck goes by on the road); the look that might show on his face "You ever get the feelin that people are watchin you, an they KNOW?", because he undoubtedly went about in intense paranoia after grabbing Jack and kissing him in the stairwell which was pretty much right out in public. So it was a balance between the denial of his need and desire to embrace Jack as his loved one, and his terrible fear that he would be killed for doing so, not that he personally was disgusted by it.
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