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gay vikings- could it be true...
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on November 09, 2009, 07:15:06 pm ---I'm curious about this. Where have these finds been made? During which time of the viking period were they buried? Could you link us to any articles or archeological websites about it?
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Yes, sopy. Please let us know where to find more about this. This is exciting.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: sopylicious on November 08, 2009, 07:09:00 pm ---
new studies shown that being gay aint just something new in our time, even the vikings celebrated being gay. People who have studied viking graves and found gay burials. People with same sex holding hands. And in other burials women have been decorating in mens cloths and men decorating in womens cloths. There are even vikings stories that have been written down who talks about samesex relationsship.
Hearing this made me so happy that I felt I need to start a thread on this subject.
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While it could be gay people, and I'm not saying they aren't and I certainly don't deny gay people have been around as long as humans have, we shouldn't jump to any conclusions.
Women sleeping with women friends and men sleeping with men friends platonically was quite common in the 19th century. Women holding hands and being affectionate with each other was quite common then and now. In several countries, up until very recently, it was quite common to see men holding hands in public with each other without any sexual connotations being associated with the actions.
They could be siblings, or they could be adopted brothers or they could have some other sort of bond.
Maybe the cross-dress was an insult to the person, maybe it was an honor (i.e. maybe a man was disgraced and forced to wear women's clothes, maybe a woman proved herself in battle and won the 'honor' of dressing as a man).
Context is everything.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on November 09, 2009, 07:15:06 pm ---I'm curious about this. Where have these finds been made? During which time of the viking period were they buried? Could you link us to any articles or archeological websites about it?
I must admit that I am surprised, given the Norse laws' and Norse literary sources' seemingly firm bias against homosexuality (and against men wearing women's clothes and vice versa). My first guess would have been that these persons in the graves were siblings or "blood-brothers", but if DNA has confirmed they were not related, there certainly is room for new interpretations of the Vikings!
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Sure enough. The Vikings were Androphiles for sure.
;)
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on November 11, 2009, 03:35:08 pm ---Sure enough. The Vikings were Androphiles for sure.
;)
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I'm sure that some homosexual Vikings could be described as androphiles.
Sophia:
some info I found in english about vikings and there view on sexuality...
The evidence of the sagas and laws shows that male homosexuality was regarded in two lights: there was nothing at all strange or shameful about a man having intercourse with another man if he was in the active or "manly" role, however the passive partner in homosexual intercourse was regarded with derision. It must be remembered, however, that the laws and sagas reflect the Christian consciousness of the Icelander or Norwegian of the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, well after the pagan period. The myths and legends show that honored gods and heroes were believed to have taken part in homosexual acts, which may indicate that pre-Christian Viking Scandinavia was more tolerant of homosexuality, and history is altogether silent as to the practice of lesbianism in the Viking Age.
http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/gayvik.shtml
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