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gay vikings- could it be true...
louisev:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on November 11, 2009, 03:35:08 pm ---Sure enough. The Vikings were Androphiles for sure.
;)
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as a direct descendant of the William I of Britain and his illustrious ancestors the kings of Kvenland and the princesses of Normandy I can tell you that there was not a single androphile among them. As warriors there were gay as three dollar bills and did their duty to produce heirs of dubious sexuality, and we their descendants bear the stamp of their preversion. :)
milomorris:
--- Quote from: louisev on November 14, 2009, 10:56:40 am ---as a direct descendant of the William I of Britain and his illustrious ancestors the kings of Kvenland and the princesses of Normandy I can tell you that there was not a single androphile among them. As warriors there were gay as three dollar bills and did their duty to produce heirs of dubious sexuality, and we their descendants bear the stamp of their preversion. :)
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Are you saying that these guys were effeminate? Or that they were part of a subculture that had its own sensibilities distinct from other men?
Your description of warriors sounds more like the Spartans and less like a gay pride parade.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: sopylicious on November 14, 2009, 10:03:05 am ---http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/gayvik.shtml
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Thank you VERY much for this, sopy.
The following indicates that Vikings were OK with man2man sex as long as homosexual men still behaved like other men in daily life. That's the basics of androphilia.
Homosexuality was not regarded by the Viking peoples as being evil, perverted, innately against the laws of nature or any of the other baggage about the concept that Christian belief has provided Western culture. Rather, it was felt that a man who subjected himself to another in sexual affairs would do the same in other areas, being a follower rather than a leader, and allowing others to do his thinking or fighting for him. Thus, homosexual sex was not what was condemned, but rather the failure to stand for one's self and make one's own decisions, to fight one's own fights, which went directly against the Nordic ethic of self-reliance. (Sørenson 20).
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: sopylicious on November 14, 2009, 10:03:05 am ---History is altogether silent as to the practice of lesbianism in the Viking Age.
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Does anybody know anything about the position of women in Viking society? If women were more or less seen as "property" of their menfolk, I'm not too surprised if there is no surviving record of lesbianism. If women were "just another species of property," I would think that lesbianism would be below the male radar. Men made the laws and wrote the histories.
louisev:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on November 14, 2009, 01:07:07 pm ---Does anybody know anything about the position of women in Viking society? If women were more or less seen as "property" of their menfolk, I'm not too surprised if there is no surviving record of lesbianism. If women were "just another species of property," I would think that lesbianism would be below the male radar. Men made the laws and wrote the histories.
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Not a chance. the reason the Vikings were so successful at conquest is that, like Rosie the Riveter and the female empowerment that took place during the New Deal era under Roosevelt that enabled women into professions in the United States previously relegated to men only, Viking society was based upon a polytheistic conception that had both male and female gods and god-warriors including Thor (after which Thursday is named) and Freya (after which Friday is named) and women ran the households and the towns along with male and female elders, year round while men went out to fish, conquer and plunder. They were also responsible for the agriculture and government. It's modern America where you find this "woman's place is in the home" nonsense. Look to Socialist Scandinavia and New Old Europe for actual equality.
you might wish to read Harry Harrison's historical novels about the Vikings entitled "The Hammer and the Cross Series"
http://www.harryharrison.com/
very well done and I'll vouch for their accuracy... :)
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