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getting hit hard by offhand revelations (story discussion)
Front-Ranger:
What I meant by "hadn't really changed" Jeff, was that Ennis still believed that he could only carry on his relationship with Jack "every once in a while" "way out in the middle of nowhere" and wouldn't leave his wife/daughters/miserable life for Jack. I believe that's the same situation in the story and the film. You are right in that story Ennis is more vocal, sympathetic, demonstrative than movie Ennis. What I really love about the story is that it portrays the two men together against a hostile world, whereas in the movie they are almost against each other some of the time.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on September 13, 2006, 11:44:57 am ---What I meant by "hadn't really changed" Jeff, was that Ennis still believed that he could only carry on his relationship with Jack "every once in a while" "way out in the middle of nowhere" and wouldn't leave his wife/daughters/miserable life for Jack. I believe that's the same situation in the story and the film. You are right in that story Ennis is more vocal, sympathetic, demonstrative than movie Ennis. What I really love about the story is that it portrays the two men together against a hostile world, whereas in the movie they are almost against each other some of the time.
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Thanks, Friend. Sorry if I was obtuse about your meaning. It was late and I was tired.
You all want to get back to talkin' about the film, that's fine. I'll leave a fresh pot of coffee on the stove (unless you're from Texas. ...) and the cherry cake on the kitchen table. You all help yourselves and have a high old time! ;D ;)
serious crayons:
No! I think it's pretty hard to keep the film from slipping in here and there. But I do want to talk about the story. My new goal is to try to understand it better. I think it has a lot to offer, but it's harder (for me, anyway) to get to it. So thank you to all of you here -- Mel, Lee, Jeff and others; even TJ? -- who have loved the story all along and can shed some light. Keep talkin!
Me: ??? You guys: 8)
Scott6373:
Are we discussing the written story or the film? From my pov, the film has far more layers than the story because of ths visual aspect. The written story was fairly cut and dry. It was what it was, and I don't think that AP had any intention of being purposfully ambiguous. I think she was just being truthfull that there are no complete answers and sometimes you have to just accept that. That's somthing that dawned on me fairly recently.
All the questions we like to percolate over: would E&J have made it if J hadn't died, how did J really die, what did E mean by "I swear", we never meant to be answered, because they couldn't be without the gift of prophecy.
Just my opinion of course :)
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Scott6373 on September 13, 2006, 02:36:14 pm ---From my pov, the film has far more layers than the story because of ths visual aspect. The written story was fairly cut and dry.
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That's what I used to think. But lately I've been coming to see that there's a lot more to it than I recognized at first.
--- Quote --- It was what it was, and I don't think that AP had any intention of being purposfully ambiguous. I think she was just being truthfull that there are no complete answers and sometimes you have to just accept that.
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I think that ambiguity is one of her ways of expressing that idea. I mean, an omniscient narrator could easily have made the ending and some of those other issues clear -- to Ennis, or even just to the reader -- if she had wanted to.
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