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Monika:
--- Quote from: milomorris on October 20, 2011, 02:49:37 pm ---
If the opera companies can make it, the abortion clinics can make it too. Maybe they work with lower-cost medical staff. Maybe they ask their medical staff to see X number of patients each week for free. Maybe some of the clients that use the clinic are at an income level where they can pay at least part of their fees. Then again, being non-profits, they can always solicit more donors, and apply for grants.
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I fail to see the similarities between an opera company and abortion clinics, Milo.
--- Quote ---Here's an idea: All the Americans who want to make free abortion available can get together, pool their money, and start a foundation that provides grants to health clinics specifically for the purpose of abortion services.
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Then I suggest you do the same when it comes to funding wars.
To me, this is all just a smoke screen for covering up for pro-life supporters. The government should base their decisions on science and facts, not on religious arguments.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Ghost Cowboy on October 20, 2011, 03:19:34 pm ---I fail to see the similarities between an opera company and abortion clinics, Milo.
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The similarity is in the business model. They are all not-for-profit business enterprises, and as such, there are business practices that can be applied to both.
--- Quote from: Ghost Cowboy on October 20, 2011, 03:19:34 pm ---Then I suggest you do the same when it comes to funding wars.
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Defense is mandated by the Constitution, abortion is not.
--- Quote from: Ghost Cowboy on October 20, 2011, 03:19:34 pm ---The government should base their decisions on science and facts, not on religious arguments.
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No, the first priority of government is to work within the boundaries established by its Constitution. The next priority is to act based on the will of the voters. I agree with you that how government does what it does should be based on science and facts. But I don't see how that relates to this kind of legislation.
Monika:
--- Quote from: milomorris on October 20, 2011, 03:31:22 pm ---The similarity is in the business model. They are all not-for-profit business enterprises, and as such, there business practices that can be applied to both.
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The dissimilarities are bigger than the similarities. An opera house is important, sure, but an abortion clinic provides an important service that is vital for women's health.
--- Quote ---Defense is mandated by the Constitution, abortion is not.
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Still, the funding of wars can still be discussed, can't it?
--- Quote ---No, the first priority of government is to work within the boundaries established by its Constitution. The next priority is to act based on the will of the voters. I agree with you that how government does what it does should be based on science and facts. But I don't see how that relates to this kind of legislation.
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Because the pro-life people often base their arguments in religion.
You won't ever succeed in making me want to support any antiabortionist messures, Milo.
I think it´s important that the federal government supports women´s access to abortion clinics because they save human lives. That´s a very good use of tax money, if you ask me.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Ghost Cowboy on October 20, 2011, 03:44:12 pm ---The dissimilarieties are bigger than the similiarities. An opera house is important, sure, but an abortion clinic provides an important service that is vital for women´s health.
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You're talking about the function offered to the public. I'm talking about how the non-profit is run. I think my suggestions are sound in that regard, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some abortion clinics not only surviving, but thriving if they implemented some of the things I suggested, or something similar.
I think abortion should be available to low-income women who need them. I just don't think its the government's job to pay for it.
--- Quote from: Ghost Cowboy on October 20, 2011, 03:44:12 pm ---Still, the funding of wars can still be discussed, can´t it?
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Yes. Congress decides whether or not to declare war. Congress also decides how much to spend on the military. And they discuss, and discuss, and discuss.
What is not up for discussion is where the money comes from. Government must fund the military.
--- Quote from: Ghost Cowboy on October 20, 2011, 03:44:12 pm ---Because the pro-life people often base their arguments in religion.
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It really doesn't matter whether the voters get their ideas from science, or from religion, they still have the ability to elect Congressmen who will support their position.
As a matter of fact, there are some atheists out there who don't like abortion too. So religion is not the only motivator on that side of the fence.
Front-Ranger:
May I interrupt here?
The Hill publication wrote a story yesterday saying, “Groups opposed to abortion rights are pressuring the Senate to act on a bill passed by the House last week that would prohibit health insurers from offering abortion coverage if any of their customers receives federal subsidies.”
"...the House-passed bill would make it nearly impossible for women to exercise their legal right to an abortion. The legislation would place "unprecedented restrictions on how a woman with private insurance can spend her own private dollars in purchasing health insurance," according to Rep. Barbara Lee
Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.), chairman of the Energy and Commerce oversight panel is investigating Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion provider. Stearns last month wrote to Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards asking her to provide documents demonstrating that her organization is handling its federal funding properly.
"At a time in our country when women rely on Planned Parenthood more than ever for essential health care, this invasive and baseless investigation is all the more reprehensible, and is an abuse of your oversight responsibilities," a responding letter states. "We urge you to immediately cease this investigation ... [It] amounts to no more than a witch hunt, and is a waste of resources at a time when the American people have asked that Congress come together and focus on job creation and economic growth."
My thoughts exactly.
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