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Resurrecting the Movies thread...
notBastet:
I watched the Pursuit of Happyness this afternoon. I thought Will Smith's portrayal was fine... but there were aspects of the movie (what I considered to be basic premise type issues...) that I didn't like at all...
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I guess maybe I am too much of a "what if" person... It all worked out for him... but what if it hadn't, then it really wasn't such a bright idea to take an unpaid internship while you had a child to feed. And great that the guy gave him his $5 back... but is that a good message - work your ass off, do what the man wants, and if you're lucky the man will give you a job and your $5 back? don't know. but I was suprised to see all the good reviews.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: notBastet on November 06, 2007, 04:09:43 pm ---I guess maybe I am too much of a "what if" person... It all worked out for him... but what if it hadn't, then it really wasn't such a bright idea to take an unpaid internship while you had a child to feed. And great that the guy gave him his $5 back... but is that a good message - work your ass off, do what the man wants, and if you're lucky the man will give you a job and your $5 back? don't know. but I was suprised to see all the good reviews.
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I see what you're saying. And probably in many or most cases it would not have ended "happyly." But the guy Will Smith plays is a real-life person. So I suppose you could say that filmmakers, looking back with 20/20 hindsight, wouldn't have wanted to make a movie about someone who tried that and failed and wound up permanently homeless. But it does make sense to make a movie about a millionaire who once was homeless and took a big risk and succeeded.
oilgun:
--- Quote from: Lynne on November 06, 2007, 01:52:22 am ---Oilgun - will you elaborate a bit on in what ways you felt manipulated by Gone, Baby, Gone? It's interesting to me how people's opinions differ. I liked GBG alot, but I was watching it from a couple of specific points-of-view. I was particularly interested in how well the adaptation of Dennis Lehane's novel was done, the Boston characterization, Casey's performance, and Ben's direction. I read the novel years ago, and it kept me guessing until the very end. So knowing where the movie was going, assuming the original plot survives (and it does), I wasn't in a place to feel manipulated.
I'm not so sure I agree with the reviewer about Dorchester being portrayed as overly gritty. Some of Dorchester is being revitalized and it's not as bad as it used to be, so I think this is probably a good representation of 1990's Dorcester. However, I didn't notice let alone count cleft lips, so I may need a repeat viewing. ;) I do know that they really toned down the violent tendencies of Patrick Kenzie's friend, Bubba, compared to his character in the novel.
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Thanks for asking, Lynn. First offl, I have to explain that I saw the film cold, as they say. I'm not familiar with the novel, I just found out that Lehane also wrote Mystic River. I hadn't read any reviews but knew that it had been very well received by critics. I went to see it mainly for Casey Affleck, I've had a bit of thing for him ever since seeing him in Gerry. (Yeah, I loved that film, go figure, lol!)
Like I said previously I started off quite enjoying it. The "colourful" characters were a hoot and some of the dialogue was laugh-out-loud funny. But the all-pervasive "scuzzyness" became too much, it never let up! The characters started to feel cartoonish rather than human. The result was that I didn't care what happened to any of the characters, so anything I had invested into the story went out the window. It felt like I was being manipulated into hating these one dimensional characters and I found that a bit insulting (OK, I get it Ben, these people are lowlifes! Sheesh!)
I did like Bubba though, he was pretty cool. Probably the only one who tried to help. Him and that guy at Murphy's Law who told Patrick about Helene & Skinny Ray. Oh, I did feel bad for Cheese, the poor guy really got screwed, lol!
Maybe I was just pissed off because the movie ruined my Lars high. ;)
Edit: I just remembered I had a similar, albeat much less intense, reaction to the movie Pan's Labyrinth. In that film, I didn't like how the fascist step-father was so completely evil. If he had had a dog I'm sure he would have kicked it. I understand that it was supposed to be a fairy tale and he was the evil step-father and all that, but the fact that he was so easily despised somehow made me lose interest in the story. It severed my emotional connection. I was still able to enjoy the film thematically and especially visually but I didn't buy the dvd... :-\
serious crayons:
Oilgun, you saw Gerry?? You're one of only two people in the world I know who has seen it! I thought it was both one of the most boring and one of the most interesting movies I've ever seen.
For those who haven't seen it, Gerry is directed by Gus Van Sant, stars Casey Affleck and Matt Damon, and is about two guys who get lost in the desert. They always call each other Gerry. They also use "gerry" as a verb, meaning "screw up." The whole movie is about watching them wander around trying to find their way out of the desert, as they get weaker and weaker. There are numerous long long stretches, like 10 minutes or more, where the camera just follows them as they walk silently side by side. It's sort of an endurance test for the audience, as well. Compared to Gerry, BBM is positively chatty -- and what dialogue there is is almost all mundane small talk like you might hear between two guys who've been friends for a long time -- they talk about a video game, a Jeopardy episode, etc.
So this friend insisted that I see it. I had to call several video stores to track it down. Finally I watched it, and at the end I was like, huh? What was the big deal about this arty but incredibly boring movie?
Then my friend told me something he'd figured out about it. And that changed my whole attitude toward the movie. Suddenly it became really very interesting.
Shall I say what he told me? It's not really a spoiler, but it's something not everyone would figure out (I sure didn't).
(BTW, the friend who told me this was Clancy/TFMC/ruthlesslyunsentimental -- those who know him know he's good at analyzing movies.)
oilgun:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on November 06, 2007, 09:48:39 pm ---Oilgun, you saw Gerry?? You're one of only two people in the world I know who has seen it! I thought it was both one of the most boring and one of the most interesting movies I've ever seen.
For those who haven't seen it, Gerry is directed by Gus Van Sant, stars Casey Affleck and Matt Damon, and is about two guys who get lost in the desert. They always call each other Gerry. They also use "gerry" as a verb, meaning "screw up." The whole movie is about watching them wander around trying to find their way out of the desert, as they get weaker and weaker. There are numerous long long stretches, like 10 minutes or more, where the camera just follows them as they walk silently side by side. It's sort of an endurance test for the audience, as well. Compared to Gerry, BBM is positively chatty -- and what dialogue there is is almost all mundane small talk like you might hear between two guys who've been friends for a long time -- they talk about a video game, a Jeopardy episode, etc.
So this friend insisted that I see it. I had to call several video stores to track it down. Finally I watched it, and at the end I was like, huh? What was the big deal about this arty but incredibly boring movie?
Then my friend told me something he'd figured out about it. And that changed my whole attitude toward the movie. Suddenly it became really very interesting.
Shall I say what he told me? It's not really a spoiler, but it's something not everyone would figure out (I sure didn't).
(BTW, the friend who told me this was Clancy/TFMC/ruthlesslyunsentimental -- those who know him know he's good at analyzing movies.)
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Well, you can't just tease us like that! Tell us!!
I actually saw Gerry at the theatre, t played here for about a week, and it was absolutely mesmerizing on the big screen.
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