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Armie Hammer & Timothée Chalamet find love in Call Me By Your Name (2017)
Aloysius J. Gleek:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on January 11, 2018, 09:48:28 pm ---What a wonderful speech the father gave, he nearly, well, did, steal the show for a few minutes. I don't think I would have appreciated the film nearly as much without my Brokeback experience. I would have seen it as another Room With a View, updated for more modern times.
A couple of quibbles. The mom didn't know? Of course she knew. Otherwise, why would she have chosen that passage to translate from German. I'm so done with clueless or missing moms in movies.
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I'm with you on that, Lee. About six weeks ago, two days after the NYC release, and just after my second screening (I've seen the film four times total now), I said this in the New Yorker Culture Tent thread:
--- Quote from: Aloysius J. Gleek on November 26, 2017, 02:42:06 am ---The CAST is amazing. (The cliche that there are no small parts is certainly true here.) Elio's mother (Amira Casar), in a smaller role, IS AMAZING. A different--and better!--review noted that Elio's mother has the same facial expression, the same hooded eyes as her son when either of them (separately), with an appraising glance, looks at--well, at Oliver, of course. And I went: woah!
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Luncheon under the trees: Mrs Perlman, Professor Perlman, Oliver and ElioAmira Casar, Michael Stuhlbarg, Armie Hammer and Timothée Chalamet
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And her eyes--everywhere:
--- Quote from: gattaca on January 12, 2018, 02:17:49 am ---From the clips I've seen, Elio's mom knew. She knew driving him back in that car scene. How could she not know?
V.
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--- Quote from: southendmd on January 12, 2018, 09:26:50 am ---I have struggled with this too. To me, the question is "know what?" At first viewing, I thought it referred to Elios' relationship with Oliver. Of course she knew! She's comforting him while driving him home from the station, etc. Far from clueless, she was very gently supportive and knowing.
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Indeed.
By the way--doesn't that anguished crooked arm look strangely familiar?
Oh Luca, you are a genius! Timmy too, of course!
--- Quote from: Aloysius J. Gleek on November 09, 2017, 01:19:25 pm ---
A statue seen on a trip to an archaeological site in Lake Garda.
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Aloysius J. Gleek:
--- Quote from: Aloysius J. Gleek on November 09, 2017, 01:19:25 pm ---
A statue seen on a trip to an archaeological site in Lake Garda.
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More Crooked Arms!!
--- Quote from: Aloysius J. Gleek on November 06, 2017, 02:41:05 pm ---CALLMEBYYOURNAMEFANART
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Oh yeah!
--- Quote from: Aloysius J. Gleek on November 09, 2017, 01:19:25 pm ---
A statue seen on a trip to an archaeological site in Lake Garda.
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gattaca:
--- Quote from: southendmd on January 12, 2018, 02:48:26 pm ---[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwIJwZRq4YM[/youtube]
From the novel:
Perlman: "Then let me say one more thing. It will clear the air. I may have come close, but I never had what you had. Something always held me back or stood in the way".....
Elio (narrator): We said good night. On my way upstairs I vowed to ask him about his life. We'd all heard about his women when he was young, but I'd never even had an inkling of anything else.
Was my father someone else? And if he was someone else, who was I?
So, is this what "does Mother know?" refer to? Perlman says, "I don't think she does".
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His speech is awesome! His frank admission that he came close to having a gay relationship is just over the top. As far as mom knowing that scene where she is driving Elio back, she clearly knows what is up and is comforting him. Maybe she never said anything to his dad.. but it is very clear, she knew what was happening.
I also agree with your point. The "what" is somewhat ambiguous. Does Mom know about me and Oliver, I think that is of course. Does Mom know about what you are admitting to me (that you came close to having a gay relationship) is also quite possibly what Elio is asking his dad. WOW... I had not even considered that angle but given the conversation, it is something which is well within the scope of the deep-ass conversation.
Oh MY. You guys are damn good. Those crooked arms from the statue surfacing from the deep and Elio's crooked arms, he's also surfacing from a deep emotional experience.. WOW, just damn WOW. I can tell, I'll need to see this gem multiple times to absorb all these nuances.
Keep'm coming! Amazing.
V.
Aloysius J. Gleek:
--- Quote from: gattaca on January 12, 2018, 06:46:54 pm ---Oh MY. You guys are damn good. Those crooked arms from the statue surfacing from the deep and Elio's crooked arms, he's also surfacing from a deep emotional experience.. WOW, just damn WOW. I can tell, I'll need to see this gem multiple times to absorb all these nuances.
Keep'm coming! Amazing.
V.
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It's not us, it's Luca, we swear!
Here's another tidbit re the subaqueous statue. When it is brought up from the depths of Lago di Garda and put on the beach, Elio and Oliver, side-by-side, are both intently inspecting it. There is one shot taken just above and behind Oliver, looking down at the sculpture's face, and Oliver's splayed fingers are gently playing over the statue's open lips.
Well.
--- Quote from: Aloysius J. Gleek on August 26, 2017, 11:24:16 am ---
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Sometime later, lying flat side-by-side in the grass (the area known as Monet's Berm in the book only), Elio says "I love this Oliver."
Oliver says "Us, you mean?" Elio says "Everything."
And THAT is when Oliver half rolls, half raises, turns towards Elio, his fingers gently playing on Elio's open lips--but Pygmalion/Armie/Oliver discovers that Galatea/Timmy/Elio's lips are far much responsive than that old bronze sculpture!
BOOM!
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It's wonderful.
--- Quote from: Aloysius J. Gleek on September 29, 2017, 01:15:16 am ---CALLMEBYYOURNAMEFANART
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Aloysius J. Gleek:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on January 11, 2018, 09:48:28 pm ---A couple of quibbles. The mom didn't know? Of course she knew. Otherwise, why would she have chosen that passage to translate from German. I'm so done with clueless or missing moms in movies.
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Lee! Something else to make your eyes pop:
The original two American producers Peter Spears (the husband of Timmie's agent, and the man who first read André Aciman's book still in galley form and bought the rights) and partner Howard Rosenman were literally begging and scrounging for funds for TEN YEARS. Year after year, meeting after meeting with potential backers, the people with real money would read (or rather, LISTEN as Peter or Luca would explain or act out) the story of the script. And the money men (a lot of them Americans, I think) would say--but WHERE is the CONFLICT? There HAS to be CONFLICT in the THIRD ACT, isn't there?? Otherwise there is NO MOVIE, right? And Luca would explain that he does not believe in strained, artificial constructs forcing fake drama. The money men would mostly bail, but one guy thought he had a GREAT idea, the perfect conflict/resolution that would make it the perfect movie. He would bring in all the money needed for the production IF--(this is for real, it was actually proposed)-IF--
--they could make the Mother EVIL.
No. Luca and Peter rolled their eyes and kept looking, and finally two new producers, Emilie Georges from France and Rodrigo Teixeira from Brazil and another producer from Italy liked Luca's No-Conflict gay love story and came up with the money (although a much smaller amount than Peter, Luca and James first planned).
Aren't you glad that beautiful, sweet, subtle, complex, WISE mom, Amira Casar, didn't have to be Evil? For Conflict in the 'Third Act'?
Omg! ::) ::) ::)
FYI, I think maybe possibly the producers Emilie and Rodrigo are the two people in the back row extreme left in this photo taken at the 2017 Berlin Film Festival, February 2017.
--- Quote from: Aloysius J. Gleek on September 11, 2017, 03:10:01 pm ---
The (partial) cast and crew of Call Me by Your Name
Front Row: Victoire Du Bois (Chiara) Esther Garrel (Marzia) Timothée Chalamet (Elio) André Aciman (Author--and Mounir)
Amira Casar (Annella) Luca Guadagnino (Director)
Center Back Row: Peter Spears (Producer--and Isaac) and, Far Right Back Row: Armie Hammer (Oliver)
Photo: Pascal Le Segretain/Getty Images
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