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The line "Jack Nasty"

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bbm_stitchbuffyfan:
Okay, so every now and then I hear people criticize the line "Jack Nasty" cause they think it's really cheesy. And I wonder: am I the only person who doesn't think it's cheesy?

I mean, an example of a cheesy line to me, would be when you turn on 7th Heaven and you hear the likes of:
"I'm gonna go help you win your girlfriend back!"
"You'd do that for me?"
"Well, we're brothers, aren't we?"

And then you're left thinking, oh Good lord, did they actually think this was good when they filmed it?

But I watch Brokeback and I see the way Michelle Williams beautifully performs that scene, her face contorting with so much anguish, the words are almost unsaid, you hurt for her. She makes it so meaningful and even on paper, one can infer meaning from the line. Not only does she feel betrayed, she's repulsed by Ennis' sexual orientation.

So, it was just making me wonder about the essence of cringe-worthy dialogue. I just don't get that impression at all from the line. I mean, don't you think it would've been distracting if she had thought of some elaborate 'diss?'

Wreeah:
Just to hear the words probably sounds 'cheezy'...  but when watched in the context of that powerful scene, it becomes a much more serious and deeper line.
I think using the word 'nastey' in that manor was probably not out of context of the time period, and she blurts it out with such frustration... I can see someone making a statment like that.
I really didn't think the line was cheezy at all.
It's actualy a very uncomfortable, and difficult scene to watch, and there's no humour  to be found.

starboardlight:
you have to admit, out of context, it is a pretty funny line. even the actors laughed about it while talking about that line specifically on Oprah. In the context of the film though, Michelle really gave it a lot of depth. I think the people making fun of the line, never saw the film or didn't get the film.

Rayn:
I don't think there's anything cheesy about the line at all.  I agree, it fits the time, place and people.  Alma doesn't want to even think the word "homosexual" or "queer" much less say it , but that is what she's saying, "Jack, that queer!".  And Michelle Williams is brilliant, simple brilliant. 

Rayn

HerrKaiser:
I agree, it doesn't seem cheezy to me either; tends to fit the scene.

But, unfortuanatley I may be one of the older guys here, and I do not recall that word being used in in the 60s or 70s to describe an illicit affair or some such thing. Rather, in the early 90s, it became somewhat popular to refer to "the big nasty" when people tallked about sex, usually one night stands.

Rayn, help me out with your point about Ennis saying "Jack that queer". Did Ennis mumble this when Alma was attacking? thanks!

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