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The line "Jack Nasty"
Rayn:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on October 30, 2006, 11:49:57 am ---Rayn, help me out with your point about Ennis saying "Jack that queer". Did Ennis mumble this when Alma was attacking? thanks!
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No, No, that was my mistake, which I modified upon re-reading. (see my post now)
I meant "she", not he, meaning "Alma doesn't want to even think the word "homosexual" or "queer" much less say it , but that is what she's saying, "Jack, that queer!"
Rayn:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on October 30, 2006, 11:49:57 am ---I may be one of the older guys here...
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Hey, I'm "one of the older guys here too..." 54 years young, a little bent in spots, a frayed edge here and there, but in overall great spirits and condition, if I don't say so myself!
How 's San Fransisco these days?
Br. Patrick:
Alma is ME! All those guys I fell for but couldn't (straight) or wouldn't return it. When she cries as Ennis hurries away after the reunion I had some kind of intense emotional implosion each time. Everything went white; I couldn't hear anything; it was just like every neuron in my brain fired all at once. Lasted about 9 viewings. My therapist, who has now seen the film 4 times, God love her (the last with the subtitles on), and I really tried to figure out what was happening to me during this scene. After much soul searching, it came and hit me HARD! LOSS. All of those guys. (I wasn't always a monk!) And Alma's character is so doelike. So innocent. I don't think she would have cussed if she had a mouthful of sh*t. And then she gets her chance to really give it to Ennis for the LOSS of his love. JACK NASTY! She's cursing Ennis just as much as Jack did at their final meeting when he said: "Your're too much for me, Ennis, you son of a whoreson bitch. I wish I knew how to quit you."
You know on the 10th (my last to date) viewing I heard for the first time Alma crying as she sees the man she thought she knew drive away with Jack. How could she compete with that?
The recurring theme in this movie over and over and over is LOSS. And it tears me up to watch it so I just save it for really special occasions. Love this film. Taught me so much about me!
(Taught me LUST is NOT LOVE! but nobody ever taught me how. I'm learning now...
Artiste:
It's not Jack who was nasty... since it was Alma who was!
Monika:
--- Quote from: Artiste on December 16, 2008, 07:04:18 pm ---It's not Jack who was nasty... since it was Alma who was!
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Isn´t that to miss the point of the movie, Artieste?
Ennis is a victimin the sense that he doesn´t even think there´s an option to getting married. And in the moment he marries Alma, she becomes a victim too. They both get trapped in something that never should have been. Alma never gets the love from Ennis that she needs/deserves, simply because it´s impossible for him to give it to her.
Wasn´t the point of the movie to show how not only gay people are affected by living in homophobic society, but also the people around them?
And about the line "Jack Nasty". When taken out of context, I do think it´s kinda funny, but when I watch the scene it´s everything but.
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