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Bush appoints anti-birth control fundamentalist to run family planning program
Front-Ranger:
To add to the complications, girls are growing up faster than ever. Today, girls sometimes as young as 9 years old are capable of having children. Why this is happening is not known and is not even being studied. Pre-teen and teenaged children should not be required to have babies if they become pregnant. Of course, having a child and giving it up for adoption is very honorable, but it should always be the choice of the mother whether to do this.
nakymaton:
--- Quote from: injest on November 19, 2006, 03:42:55 pm ---he is not an anti abortionist...he is abstinence only!
and to me that is very close to the hard core religious people who feel it is wrong to attempt to stop getting pregnant at all. There are groups who feel it is the DUTY of married people to reproduce and take the stand that married couples should engage in sexual relations and leave it up to God how many children they are 'blessed' with.
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This is my biggest problem with the abstinence-only people. They assume that anyone who is married will be having children. And having children. And having children.
This bothers me for two reasons. A) I am not a baby factory. I am a human being with a brain and with talents and abilities that, frankly, do not suit me for a lifetime of pregnancy and child-rearing. And B) The world is already a damn crowded place. Every child born in the US consumes some ridiculous amount of energy, and generates a ridiculous amount of garbage. We pollute our air and our water. We are changing the atmosphere. And the damage that we and our children do will make this planet a less pleasant place for our grandchildren and their grandchildren. (And the contributions of a few brilliant individuals don't balance the damage done by the sheer numbers of humans on this planet.)
I don't believe in preventing people from having children that they want, and I'm not going to promote abortion for population control. But in societies where women have education and the right to choose whether or not to bear children, population growth rates tend to be lower.
Abstinence may be a great idea for teenagers (though it may not be realistic). But the people who promote it act as if there is no reason why married people would ever want to prevent pregnancies. And that scares me.
injest:
another scary thing...
here in Texas there are some religious radio stations...here since the election they have started focusing almost exclusively on the idea that Americans are not producing enough children to maintain our current level of living.
and these are seperate channels! (not that there are conspiracies!! LOL)
They keep calling up these statistics that there are not enough children being born and that we are in danger of extinction because the average number of children have dropped under 2 per couple...
seriously, a few less people wouldn't bother me...
they say we will not have enough people to run the country or to pay taxes and that we will be vulnerable to takeover...
injest:
--- Quote from: Penthesilea on November 19, 2006, 03:31:31 pm ---Just a quick statistics about fathers (not) paying child support. This statistics is from Germany, I'd be interested if any of you have one for the US.
Please have in mind that Germany has relatively strict laws concerning child support. Theoretically there's no way around it, but reality shows different:
1/3 pays no child support at all
1/3 pays too less and/or irregulary
1/3 pays regulary child support amounting to what the court decision says
Even fathers of born children lack of willingness to pay for their children. Many of them have lived together with their children for years. One should think it's self-evident to take financially care for their offspring - but it isn't.
Do you think fathers-to-be would be any more willing/responsible to contribute their share?
So there are cases in which you think abortion is/should be/might be justified. But who has the right to decide in what cases an abortion is justified and in which not?
Roland has put it to the point:
The key to avoid abortions are not threats and punishments, but is sex education, access to contraceptive and providing advice and financial help for women who have an unwanted pregnancy.
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this was the only website I could find..(sorry I am Googlechallenged)
The Federal Office of Child Support Preliminary Statistics for 2004 reports over $107 Billion in accumulated unpaid support (up from $100 billion in 2002) is due to 17 million children in the United States. The government child support agency collection rate, the percentage of cases receiving one or more payments was 50%, which is down from 68% in 2002.
please note...cases recieving ONE payment count toward that 50%
injest:
according to the office of Child Support Enforcement...out of 1,524,569 cases filed for child support only 662,526 have a known father. Whether the mother refuses to say or if the men refuse to acknowledge...we pay for them....
so which do you want? to pay a couple of hundred for an abortion or tens of thousands for a life time for these children....
an interesting quote from the director:
But we collected an average of $600 per arrearage case, while the average amount of arrears per arrearage case is $9,000.
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