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The Question of Time: What Was Life Like in 1963?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Shuggy on March 03, 2007, 07:39:00 pm ---(In re: My Fair Lady): In the song "Without you" she definitely winds up "So go back in your shell, I can do bloody well without you". Julie Andrews sings it on the record. "Bloomin' well" wouldn't cut across the footlights nearly so well.
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"Ah, yes, I remember it well." Ooops! Wrong musical. ... ;D
Tommydreamer:
Shuggy,
Thanks for the in-depth answer.
Tommy
lachlan:
Hey, Shuggy! I was going to explain the origin of the word "bugger" and about the Bogomils - but you just beat me to it. An alternative name for Bogomil is "Babun" and it is found in many placenames. There were many sects within the Eastern Orthodox faith which regarded "buggery" as acceptible on the grounds that it didn't result in children, which would destract a monk's attention from his spiritual or communal duties. Stories of this concept filtered to the west at the time when Bulgaria was the largest and most stable Orthodox state and when the Bogomil cult was at its height.
Shuggy:
--- Quote from: lachlan on March 06, 2007, 06:53:51 am ---Hey, Shuggy! I was going to explain the origin of the word "bugger" and about the Bogomils - but you just beat me to it. An alternative name for Bogomil is "Babun" and it is found in many placenames. There were many sects within the Eastern Orthodox faith which regarded "buggery" as acceptible on the grounds that it didn't result in children, which would destract a monk's attention from his spiritual or communal duties. Stories of this concept filtered to the west at the time when Bulgaria was the largest and most stable Orthodox state and when the Bogomil cult was at its height.
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That's interesting but "acceptable" sounds a little far-fetched. Are you sure that's not just what their enemies said? Also, we're talking about a long time ago, so accuracy will be hard to come by now.
lachlan:
No indeed! At the time of the Russian Revolution, during WWI, there were still monastic communities in Russia and even in Canada in which it was openly acknowledged that monks had same-sex liaisons; sometimes as part of a ritual. I was fortunate to have access to records and descriptions of this in Russia and have heard more about thiese "cults" (?) from Orthodox historians who were not condemnatory. I've also seen an English-language anthology in the university library which discusses the phenomenon in a chapter on Russia; I'll try to relocate it this week and I'll post the title if I can.
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