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A Ninth Viewing Observation
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: nakymaton on August 08, 2006, 09:47:12 pm ---I've wondered whether Jack's comments about bringing somebody to the ranch (both in Ennis's and Randall's cases) were spontaneous responses to Old Man Twist's complaints about Jack being away, not having any help, yadda yadda nag nag. (After all, Jack didn't have serious plans about bringing Ennis to the ranch, either. Ennis had already essentially said no.) And so... spontaneous, child mouthing off to parent, partly serious, but partly just an attempt to get dad to shut up already.
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Along these lines, here's how I see it: After their last time together at the lake, Jack goes up to Lightning Flat, just aching inside, not unlike that time he went up there after the summer on Brokeback. But now he's aching and broken. He hears the usual shit from Old Man Twist. And during one of their many arguments, OMT says something like, "Whatever happened to the Great and Powerful Ennis del Mar - the one who was gonna help you 'lick this ranch into shape?' Just another one o' yer half-baked ideas, I guess." And Jack retorts with something more to himself than to his father, like "Yeah, well, the hell with him. I know another guy - a ranch neighbor of mine in Childress - who *wants* to come up here and do that with me. This Spring, I may just take him up on it."
But I agree - it was just him thinking out loud - wanting to shut his father - and his own heart - up once and for all.
dly64:
--- Quote from: ednbarby on August 08, 2006, 09:53:31 pm ---But I agree - it was just him thinking out loud - wanting to shut his father - and his own heart - up once and for all.
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That would be my hope, but who knows? Certainly Jack was frustrated. But, like many of you, I see Randall as a hard dick to help satisfy Jack’s sexual needs. That sounds a bit harsh … they may have been companions. But Randall was no Ennis. Whether or not Jack was going to break off his relationship with Ennis has been the topic of other threads and has provoked much discussion. However, no matter where you may fall on that issue (i.e. would Jack “quit” Ennis) … I think we can all be in agreement that Randall would not even come close to filling Jack’s emotional needs. Only Ennis could do that.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: ednbarby on August 08, 2006, 09:53:31 pm ---And during one of their many arguments, OMT says something like, "Whatever happened to the Great and Powerful Ennis del Mar - the one who was gonna help you 'lick this ranch into shape?' Just another one o' yer half-baked ideas, I guess." And Jack retorts with something more to himself than to his father, like "Yeah, well, the hell with him. I know another guy - a ranch neighbor of mine in Childress - who *wants* to come up here and do that with me. This Spring, I may just take him up on it."
But I agree - it was just him thinking out loud - wanting to shut his father - and his own heart - up once and for all.
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Excellent conjecture, Barb! I'll go along with that.
--- Quote from: nakymaton on August 08, 2006, 09:47:12 pm ---(After all, Jack didn't have serious plans about bringing Ennis to the ranch, either. Ennis had already essentially said no.)
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I think of him as being more serious about Ennis. Sure, Ennis had said no, but Jack kept thinking circumstances would change and Ennis would change his mind.
Or maybe he told his dad about because he missed Ennis so much he could hardly stand it and just needed to talk about Ennis in a semi-honest way -- that is, tacitly acknowledging the romantic part of their relationship -- to someone!
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: dly64 on August 08, 2006, 10:11:30 pm ---That would be my hope, but who knows? Certainly Jack was frustrated. But, like many of you, I see Randall as a hard dick to help satisfy Jack’s sexual needs. That sounds a bit harsh … they may have been companions. But Randall was no Ennis. Whether or not Jack was going to break off his relationship with Ennis has been the topic of other threads and has provoked much discussion. However, no matter where you may fall on that issue (i.e. would Jack “quit” Ennis) … I think we can all be in agreement that Randall would not even come close to filling Jack’s emotional needs. Only Ennis could do that.
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And let's not forget, maybe to Randall, Jack was just a hard dick to help satisfy his (Randall's) sexual needs.
dly64:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on August 08, 2006, 10:41:02 pm ---And let's not forget, maybe to Randall, Jack was just a hard dick to help satisfy his (Randall's) sexual needs.
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True ... very true! Certainly that is one angle that I have never considered!
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