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Ennis and Jake are homosexuals, bi-sexuals or??
brokebackjack:
You know, I just thought of something: the age they were at their last meeting by the lake.
Very close to 40.
That is the age where bisexual men traditionally--REAL ones, not functional ones--tell themselves that it's time to settle down with one or the other. This may undermine my argument but thought I'd let you know. 40-45 is when they start really looking and the sex does not matter, the person does. Every Bi I know got hitched to one sex or the other at that time, or tried to. Even me, although THAT was such a total mess due to 'environmental circumstances' that it took BBM to get me to say screw this STFU and marry me. { ask front ranger she came to the wedding reception roflmao }
Maybe it doesn't undermine anything but it's a bit of info not many non bi's know. There really are NOT very many of us.
It's the ability to form the bond, not the sex---I can't emphasize that enough. Ever.
There is enough BS talked about bi guys as it is, usually using gay men on their way out as examples...when they most certainly ARE NOT.
ednbarby:
This is an excellent point and one I had never considered, BBJ. Thanks!
I come at it not knowing squat about being bisexual (or gay, for that matter). I think of my two women friends who are regularly mistaken for being lesbians - not that there's anything wrong with that and they are not offended - because they each are well into their 40s and live alone and haven't been in a relationship with a man since they were in their 20s. That is not by choice - it has just worked out that way. But I know they're as hetero as the day is long. I know all about their celebrity and real guy crushes and I know how lonely they both get for a male companion from time to time. They don't miss the sex (hey, we're women, remember?) so much as the companionship. Like you would say, BBJ, they really would like to form a lifelong bond with someone, and they'd like that someone to be a man.
RossInIllinois:
I would say the film portrays both Jack and Ennis as Bi Sexual simply for the fact they do marry Women. Most truly Gay men I know are almost repulsed at the thought of having sex with women and this does not seem to be the case here. In fact we see Ennis having the straight sex in the film where as Jack's is "implied". Now there is ONE scene in the movie that is a bit Queenie on Ennis' part and thats the "first snow" when he exits the pup tent with his blanket in the morning and "Girly" dances around in the snow when he wakes up. I feel Ang Lee potrays Jack as much more the "same sex" Predator in the film than Ennis. The opening sequence when Jack stares down Ennis standing next to the trailer with that Ooooh thats hot smirk on his face shows that early on, and then its Jack that writes Ennis the first post card not the other way around. It would appear without Jacks persistence the relationship would never have re kindled.
brokebackjack:
Ross, read the last few posts.
REAL BISEXUALITY is not the sex.
FUNCTIONAL bisexuality is the sex. Many married gay men are labeled as bi when they are not, they are in the process of coming out. I think they find it less embaressing to say they are bi, but it skews how society and individuals look at really bi males. Very frustrating, that.
Genuine bisexuality, again, is the ability to form ' the bond' regardless of the other person's sex, which does not matter.
Neither of those two had that ability.
RossInIllinois:
--- Quote from: brokebackjack on March 25, 2007, 09:32:34 am ---Ross, read the last few posts.
REAL BISEXUALITY is not the sex.
FUNCTIONAL bisexuality is the sex. Many married gay men are labeled as bi when they are not, they are in the process of coming out. I think they find it less embaressing to say they are bi, but it skews how society and individuals look at really bi males. Very frustrating, that.
Genuine bisexuality, again, is the ability to form ' the bond' regardless of the other person's sex, which does not matter.
Neither of those two had that ability.
--- End quote ---
I have to disagree, truly "Gay" men don't marry Women and have children. Bi-Sexuals do however. Now can Bi-sexual men later on decide to lead a same sex lifestyle? Yes of course. (Notice I called it a same sex lifestyle and not a Gay lifestyle) I do see a distinct difference in the two.
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