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Ennis and Jake are homosexuals, bi-sexuals or??
brokebackjack:
I have to disagree completely.
Truly gay men most certainly do marry and have children.
All the time.
Such a statement completely bewilders me.There are men all over the forum who have married and had children who would be as baffled as I am at someone who is apparently gay denying this....fact.These guys are GAY, not bi, and would tell you so in 2 milleseconds flat.
I HAVE met some extreme gay men who could as easily throw up as perform cunningilus; to tell you the truth I actually KNOW one who threw up while performing cunningulus, with god only knows what mental trauma to the girl involved.
The quantity and quality of the abuse to which he was subjected by GAY MEN--some of them INCREDIBLY gay men, one of whom was actually in drag as he ripped this sad sad fellow a new one--was so memorable that someday I may just write it all down and see if I can get it published roflmao. What was startling was that the sort of gay man 'who nobody would know about unless he told them', many of who HAD been in marriages, were the nicest about it. They kept their hilarity private. The others---including a man so gay nobody knew how he could EVER have fathered a child, but father him he did!--ripped him to bits. I mean absolutely destroyed him, it was almost painful to hear no matter that it was incredibly funny. And deserved. I should perhaps mention here that some of the biggest femmes alive incredulously asked this guy what sort of MAN he was, that he couldn't even preform cunningulus without disgracing himself, and by extension, the gay world.The damned fool just kept repeating his, umm, faux pas and expected to be told things like 'you pooooor pooor boy, how disgusting, how...how...'.
Instead he got the opposite and he deserved it. To sleep with a girl--quite a lovely nice one, too!--and then throw up all over her clitoris is more then bad manners Ross! To compound the matter by telling her that her@#$%^& was disgusting and then barfing all over her breasts as well is simply too much, he had his ass handed to him and the girl involved was sent to a beach house with a few gay men to recover.
She did. They took care of their friend.
Nicely.
As for the fellow who threw up all over her vulva, he eventually moved. His reputation as both male and homo was completely destroyed, it followed him everywhere and he to my knowledge henever figured out that it's not NICE to puke on someones mons generis. He was so dense he kept blaming her for seducing him, no matter that she said he asked her, and no matter that at age 30 you get seduced when you WANT to get seduced. He swished his way into semi-legend and was given a deplorably apt nickname which stuck to him like glue. To this day, nigh on 20 years later, you can ask whatever happened to @#$@!$^&* and many many gay people in NYC will know exactly who you mean.
One doesn't puke on a nice girls' vulva in NY and have it go unavenged.
RossInIllinois:
Confuses you how? I see it as clear as day. The Married ones are Bi. Its just that simple, If you are able to have a relationship with a Woman you are not 100% same sex exclusive or "Gay". The word "Gay" is used in our society today to define an individual that is 100% same sex orientation IMO.
ednbarby:
I know a gay man who was married for many years and has a couple of beautiful children. He came out about 25 years ago and has been in a committed relationship for the last 20 with his partner. He and his ex-wife are on decent terms to this day and even get together once and a while with their new partners, and he has a great relationship with his kids.
So, sorry, Ross, but to say that no truly gay man would ever marry and have kids is just plain inaccurate. This guy would never characterize himself as bi - he's never been interested in any other woman since his wife and honestly wasn't all that interested in her - just had a good friendship with her 'with benefits' (from her point of view only). If you were to ask him - and even if you weren't - he'd say "I am gay, gay, GAY. And proud of it." BBJ is right - many men who truly are gay just characterize themselves as "bi" because it's more socially acceptable. I know a couple of those men, also. And that's a shame every way around.
brokebackjack:
But they are NOT bi. Most of them are coming out, married before they figured it out. Ask them when they have completed the process if they are capable of feeling what they feel for a man the same way they feel for a woman. They will likely say there is no comparison.
This is just what i bang my head on the wall about, what every bi guy I know gets so frustrated at.
WE are not what you think of as BI, using any criteria but the one bi males use among themselves. The guys you describe as bi are functionally bisexual as regards sex and emotionally attached to men. They may think they love their wives but when they realise that they are gay, they leave....if they were really bi it would not matter..
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: RossInIllinois on March 25, 2007, 10:02:38 am ---Confuses you how? I see it as clear as day. The Married ones are Bi. Its just that simple, and not 100% "same sex" as "Gay" implies.
--- End quote ---
I must add that you, like whiteoutofthemoon, seem to be defining "gay" as what one does instead of what one is. If that were the only way to define people, my two aforementioned women friends would be "asexual" since they haven't had sex in 10 years or more. But the truth is, they'd love to be in a relationship with a man, and part of that would be being intimate with him. Asexual is not what they are, it's what they happen to be doing right now. Heterosexual is what they are.
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