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Ennis and Jake are homosexuals, bi-sexuals or??
RossInIllinois:
For what ever reason the 100% "Gay" community has a hard time accepting there are individuals that are not exclusive to either sexual orientation, I see it all the time. Its a shame that some people can not accept this fact.
brokebackjack:
NOBODY is 100%, nobody.
But that does not make gay men who sleep/have slept with women bi, anymore then it makes ME gay.
It's a shame they can't face that fact, but they don't.
I went to see Brokeback last year with a few forum people, one of whom was floored when I said wait a minute, I'm not gay and never have been. i'm still not gay. I said that when he said 'Now that you are gay, out of the closet.....'
I'd been open---within limits, I'm not stupid here!--since I was a teenager. You knew who was ok and who would make problems.....
And I never will be, it's not what i am. Nor am i straight. having so many people take away one's identity because one can't fit into their preconceptions is a very frustrating thing.
sleeping with a woman does not make a gay man into a bisexual. It makes him a gay man who is functionally bisexual and that's ALL. there is no way the majority of those guys are bisexual, and they will say as much once their 'out' process is done!
RossInIllinois:
--- Quote from: brokebackjack on March 25, 2007, 10:35:01 am ---NOBODY is 100%, nobody.
But that does not make gay men who sleep/have slept with women bi, anymore then it makes ME gay.
It's a shame they can't face that fact, but they don't.
I went to see Brokeback last year with a few forum people, one of whom was floored when I said wait a minute, I'm not gay and never have been. i'm still not gay. I said that when he said 'Now that you are gay, out of the closet.....'
I'd been open---within limits, I'm not stupid here!--since I was a teenager. You knew who was ok and who would make problems.....
And I never will be, it's not what i am. Nor am i straight. having so many people take away one's identity because one can't fit into their preconceptions is a very frustrating thing.
sleeping with a woman does not make a gay man into a bisexual. It makes him a gay man who is functionally bisexual and that's ALL. there is no way the majority of those guys are bisexual, and they will say as much once their 'out' process is done!
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Being able to sleep with both Men & Women does make you Bi just accept it please. ;) "Being Able" is KEY here. True Homosexuals are repulsed at the mere thought of having hetero sex. Bi's are not.
brokebackjack:
--- Quote from: RossInIllinois on March 25, 2007, 10:43:14 am ---Being able to sleep with both Men & Women does make you Bi just accept it please. ;) "Being Able" is KEY here. True Homosexuals are repulsed at the mere thought of having hetero sex. Bi's are not.
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Ummm no it doesn't. Exactly what we bang our heads on the wall about. Furthermore, for someone who doesn't have a clue to say "just accept it please" is the absolute height of blind arrogance. I mean it: I know very well who and what I am, I've know it since I was 13[ which did absolutely nothing to lessen thebafflement]
i have to ask this...maybe I shouldn't but really, have to after that remark I have to. It's the sort of remark made by a tenured academic who is completely cut off from reality, which just can't be: are you some sort of sociologist or sexologist or something? Or do you know what everyone is simply 'because'?? For your statement above is just so dogmatic, so absolute, so closed minded and all that I can't figure out who made someone God. It sounds like the political philosophy of the Bush Family: WE know what's best for you, just accept it.
I'm wondering what my friend who was married, fathered a son, slowly knew he 'was wrong, something was radically wrong' would make of what you keep saying. There is no way he would describe himself as anything but gay, queer, a homosexual. NEVER would he call himself bi and never would he date a woman again. If FORCED he could have sex with a woman, which would mean he was functionally bi. But genuinelly bisexual?? nope. No way. Define your terms with more accuracy, please. Because as stands they are simply out of it.
Please accept that.
RossInIllinois:
--- Quote from: brokebackjack on March 25, 2007, 11:27:31 am ---Ummm no it doesn't. Exactly what we bang our heads on the wall about. Furthermore, for someone who doesn't have a clue to say "just accept it please" is the absolute height of blind arrogance. I mean it: I know very well who and what I am, I've know it since I was 13[ which did absolutely nothing to lessen thebafflement]
i have to ask this...maybe I shouldn't but really, have to after that remark I have to. It's the sort of remark made by a tenured academic who is completely cut off from reality, which just can't be: are you some sort of sociologist or sexologist or something? Or do you know what everyone is simply 'because'?? For your statement above is just so dogmatic, so absolute, so closed minded and all that I can't figure out who made someone God. It sounds like the political philosophy of the Bush Family: WE know what's best for you, just accept it.
I'm wondering what my friend who was married, fathered a son, slowly knew he 'was wrong, something was radically wrong' would make of what you keep saying. There is no way he would describe himself as anything but gay, queer, a homosexual. NEVER would he call himself bi and never would he date a woman again. If FORCED he could have sex with a woman, which would mean he was functionally bi. But genuinelly bisexual?? nope. No way. Define your terms with more accuracy, please. Because as stands they are simply out of it.
Please accept that.
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No Again you are WRONG. My comments come from myself a Bi- sexual man that is in touch with, and owning his reality to what bisexuality vs homosexuality (Gay) really is. ;)
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