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Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: Marge_Innavera on September 19, 2006, 01:34:53 pm ---It might be that straight heterosexual men aren't the dominant group; that is, if you live on another planet. My statement was not ambiguous.
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Ouch, ok as you wish. That would be the end of that conversation then. But before I go, maybe I do live on another planet, one where no gender or orientation is more dominant except to the extent that the "other" groups let them. You can oppress me and be intollerant of me, but you can't make me feel inferior unless I let you, and that's not going to happen. And btw, you're reference to dominant group could just as easily been all straight people (male and female), law makers, politicians, etc. Women are not the inferior group here, in fact I feel more marginalised every day.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Aussie Chris on September 20, 2006, 09:37:24 am --- in fact I feel more marginalised every day.
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???
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Aussie Chris on September 20, 2006, 09:37:24 am ---
--- Quote ---Quote from: Marge_Innavera on September 19, 2006, 12:34:53 pm
It might be that straight heterosexual men aren't the dominant group; that is, if you live on another planet. My statement was not ambiguous.
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But before I go, maybe I do live on another planet, one where no gender or orientation is more dominant except to the extent that the "other" groups let them. You can oppress me and be intollerant of me, but you can't make me feel inferior unless I let you, and that's not going to happen. And btw, you're reference to dominant group could just as easily been all straight people (male and female), law makers, politicians, etc. Women are not the inferior group here, in fact I feel more marginalised every day.
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Chris and Marge, as an outside observer to this exchange, I'm wondering if you might not disagree as much as it seems. Do you mind if I give a shot to sorting it out?
Chris, I could be wrong, but my impression is that Marge is not endorsing the idea that straight men should be the dominant goup, or even that they inevitably must be the dominant group, but merely expressing what she feels to have been historical practice in most cultures. Marge, again I may be wrong, but my impression is that Chris is saying we should not accept that as an immutable reality, and that we have it in our power to change it.
In other words, it seems Marge is referring to an unfortunate current situation, whereas Chris is referring to a happy ideal.
Do you think you'd agree with those assessments -- of both your own position and each others'? Or am I mischaracterizing them?
JT:
--- Quote ---I'm glad you agree JT, where were you when I needed you in March? This was a funny time, weird that it was just 6 months ago, seriously it feels like years have gone by. I guess this was inevitable, after all we've really explored just about every nook and cranny of the film and the story, and so much water has passed under the bridge...
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Sorry Chris, but in March, I haven't even watched BBM yet. Yeah, shame on me. I only discover this site about two months ago.
But back to what you guys discuss back then, all I can say is those of us who had to live lives similar to Jack and Ennis' will understand more deeply their motives and orientations. Being gay and living in a conservative environment, I understand these two guys pretty well, I think. Being in my mid 30's now, I still haven't been in a gay relationship, nor a straight one. I know I don't want a straight one for sure. Just my thought.
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: JT on September 26, 2006, 02:40:23 am ---Sorry Chris, but in March, I haven't even watched BBM yet. Yeah, shame on me. I only discover this site about two months ago.
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No worries JT, I gathered as much. I was only playing after all. ;)
--- Quote ---But back to what you guys discuss back then, all I can say is those of us who had to live lives similar to Jack and Ennis' will understand more deeply their motives and orientations. Being gay and living in a conservative environment, I understand these two guys pretty well, I think. Being in my mid 30's now, I still haven't been in a gay relationship, nor a straight one. I know I don't want a straight one for sure. Just my thought.
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Aww, sometimes I wish we were all in the same room so I could give people a hug when they say something like that. You know I don't think it matters if you've had a hundred partners or none at all, as long as you have love in your heart and you're happy with being yourself. I've not had a relationship for a couple of years and I couldn't give a rat's. Maybe I'm a romantic fool but I believe that someone special is out there waiting for me to find him, and even if there's not I'm happy being me and that's enough. I hope that you're happy too JT.
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