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"Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« on: March 30, 2015, 01:30:28 pm »
PBS has been showing the first season of "Vicious" recently.  Anyone seen it?  It's a somewhat silly sitcom starring Sir Ian McKellen and Sir Derek Jacobi as long-time partners.  Of course, they've both been out for some time. 

They've been together close to 50 years and trade nasty insults, but of course they clearly love each other.

I'm sure there are some who will object to the stereotype of bitchy old queens. 

Here are some clips of the first season:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfELk59i45E[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-dQ5zDlGMA[/youtube]
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2015, 01:33:26 pm »
Some IMDb trivia:

-The show was originally titled "Vicious Old Queens", but this was thought of as too obscene and so was shortened to just "Vicious".

-The series is loosely inspired by the film Staircase (1969) which starred Rex Harrison and Richard Burton as a pair of aging queens, exactly like Freddie and Stuart in this series.

-According to Ian McKellen, he and Derek Jacobi (the main couple Freddie and Stuart) went to drama school together and both had crushes on each other but never admitted it at the time, and so never entered into a relationship.

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2015, 01:44:17 pm »
-According to Ian McKellen, he and Derek Jacobi (the main couple Freddie and Stuart) went to drama school together and both had crushes on each other but never admitted it at the time, and so never entered into a relationship.

Seriously? I can't recall knowing that Jacobi is gay.  ???  How 'bout that. Interesting thing to learn.
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2015, 01:46:42 pm »
It's very un-politically-correct.  In fact, PBS had to bleep out quite a bit of the dialogue.  (Turns out, you can't say "hand job" on TV here.)

I'll always think of Derek Jacobi from the BBC Hamlet around 1980, and also as the emperor in I,Claudius.

Ian McKellen, I saw in a one-man Shakespeare show ("Acting Shakespeare") in the late 80s that was riveting.
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2015, 01:53:16 pm »
Too bad, but netflix doesn't have "Staircase".  >:(

Just for fun, last I watched the "Fraiser" episode where Jacobi plays "Jackson Hedley", has-been Shakespearean actor.  I almost choked watching his hilariously awful Hamlet death scene. 
Plus, Patrick McNee plays his father in this episode (he's still alive and still not gay).

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2015, 02:04:10 pm »
I'll always think of Derek Jacobi from the BBC Hamlet around 1980, and also as the emperor in I,Claudius.

Ian McKellen, I saw in a one-man Shakespeare show in the late 80s that was riveting.

As poor as my memory is, I did some double checking, but the first role I ever saw Derek Jacobi in was Josef Lanner in the miniseries The Strauss Family, which goes all the way back to 1972, and the first for Ian McKellen was as Chauvelin in the TV movie The Scarlet Pimpernel, with Jane Seymour and Anthony Andrews (1982). Clearly they both made an impression on me since I still remember them after all these years.

I didn't like Derek Jacobi as Brother Cadfael, but that wasn't his fault, I'm sure. I blame it on the way the role was written for the series. I always saw Brother Cadfael as more of a Leo McKern type:

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2015, 02:07:20 pm »
I watched "Vicious" long ago, when I lived in Australia so over 5 years. I thought it funny but did have some issues with the stereotyping. I am a great admirer of Sir Ian McKellen both for his acting and his gay rights campaigning.

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2015, 04:22:49 pm »

I'm sure there are some who will object to the stereotype of bitchy old queens.


I watched "Vicious" long ago, when I lived in Australia so over 5 years. I thought it funny but did have some issues with the stereotyping. I am a great admirer of Sir Ian McKellen both for his acting and his gay rights campaigning.


What stereotyping??


 ;D :laugh:

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2015, 04:32:12 pm »

By the way, I love Frances de la Tour (of The History Boys fame).



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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2015, 05:41:52 am »

Ash shirtless:

I'm only doing this for Vi, of course.

 








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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2015, 11:28:23 am »
Such a kind gesture of you to do. It's Very much appreciated.

 
Ash shirtless:

I'm only doing this for Vi, of course.

 










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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2015, 11:59:29 am »
Such a kind gesture of you to do. It's Very much appreciated.


You are welcome, Sophia. I am, of course, completely disinterested, merely attempting to add information adding context and nuance to the background of the character Violet (actor Frances de la Tour) and her infatuation with Ash (actor Iwan Rheon).



 



Me, I am completely disinterested.

 ::) :laugh:


By the way, Mr. Rheon is not only Welsh, Welsh is his first language, English is his second language.
As a consequence, his name "Iwan" is pronounced "Eye-One", not "You-un" or "Oh-wen" or "Ee-en".   ;)

I do not watch the saga Game of Thrones at all, but the sweet, naive Ash seems to have morphed into the sadistic and evil character Ramsay Snow (or Ramsay Bolton) the Bastard.  :o  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire_characters#Ramsay_Snow  
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2015, 12:11:38 pm »
http://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/tv/vicious/interview/iwan_rheon_ash/



Iwan Rheon is the youngest main cast member in Vicious. He plays Ash.





What was your first reaction when you were approached about Vicious?
I got a call asking if I wanted to audition for a new sitcom starring Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi. I replied, "Er, yes." Who wouldn't want to work with two of our greatest actors?

What appealed to you about the show?
I love the script. It's really sharp writing with very well observed characters who feel like they've got great depth. The relationships are tremendous.

Please describe Ash to us...
He is a very honest, good-natured, polite young man from Wigan (a town between Liverpool and Greater Manchester, England). It's wonderful for me to play a nice guy for a change! Ash is very game, he's up for anything.

How would you characterise his relationship with Freddie and Stuart?
He is like a ray of light in Freddie and Stuart's world. He loves to hang out with them. He's never experienced anything like this before. For him it's a very exciting and different world. He's looking for companionship and he doesn't know anyone in London.

He wanted a new start down South - he had had a few problems with this family and wanted to get away. Freddie and Stuart are very welcoming, but they also talk straight. They give advice and become like a surrogate family for Ash. They are the people he can go to with his problems.

How do things unfold over the course of the series?
Towards the end of the series, Ash comes into his own. He starts off quietly, but that pays off as he comes out of the shell. Gary (Janetti, writer and co-creator of Vicious ) says he sees Ash telling his grandchildren when he's Freddie and Stuart's age about the two amazing guys he met when he first came to London. I have met a few people like Freddie and Stuart. They really exist. They're fabulous characters.

Tell us more about the relationship between Freddie and Stuart.
They bicker a lot, and that is very entertaining to watch. But on some level, you can see that they're very fond of each other. You get moments in each episode where they are very tender. That makes it far more comfortable because the bickering comes from this great love they have for each other. A group of lads I used to hang out with at school were like that. We were always taking the mickey out of each other. Banter is a very British thing. You have to be able to take it as well as dish it out, but it's always underpinned by a great mutual affection.

How do things pan out with Violet?
It's a flirtatious relationship, but only from one side! It makes Ash uncomfortable being hit on in this very unsubtle way, but it's very funny. It's never done in a gratuitous way. It's all good fun, and there is nothing that would genuinely scare Ash off.

How have you found it working with Ian and Derek?
At first, it was very surreal and overwhelming. In some scenes, I'm the only one who isn't a knight! But you can't let that get to you because it has to be a working relationship. When you actually do the scenes, you're simply collaborating as actors. Ian and Derek are very humble and have never made me feel like I don't deserve to be there. They've been great with me. It has been the most wonderful experience for a young actor.

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2015, 12:38:03 pm »
Perhaps doing Ash's laundry. After that touch!!! Will be back later with more comments, when I have done my own-laundry. 

You are welcome, Sophia. I am, of course, completely disinterested, merely attempting to add information adding context and nuance to the background of the character Violet (actor Frances de la Tour) and her infatuation with Ash (actor Iwan Rheon).



 



Me, I am completely disinterested.

 ::) :laugh:


By the way, Mr. Rheon is not only Welsh, Welsh is his first language, English is his second language.
As a consequence, his name "Iwan" is pronounced "Eye-One", not "You-un" or "Oh-wen".   ;)

I do not watch the saga Game of Thrones at all, but the sweet, naive Ash seems to have morphed into the sadistic and evil character Ramsay Snow (or Ramsay Bolton) the Bastard.  :o  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire_characters#Ramsay_Snow  

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2015, 01:55:40 pm »
Perhaps doing Ash's laundry. After that touch!!! Will be back later with more comments, when I have done my own-laundry.

I need to do laundry too!   :laugh:





In the meanwhile, A CLARIFICATION:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSF2bvxQGew[/youtube]

There you go!

Now, a SECOND CLARIFICATION:


Iwan Rheon is the youngest main cast member in Vicious. He plays Ash.


Iwan Rheon is the only  young cast member in Vicious.


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



Now to do the laundry!   ;D



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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2015, 03:27:52 pm »
Thanks, for the clarifications; they made my day so much better. Been practicing  my "Eye-one" Welsh all evening.
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2015, 05:01:46 pm »
I need to do laundry too!   :laugh:





In the meanwhile, A CLARIFICATION:



There you go!

Now, a SECOND CLARIFICATION:


Iwan Rheon is the only  young cast member in Vicious.


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



Now to do the laundry!   ;D





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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2015, 05:08:38 pm »
Violet sure knows, how to ask the right questions.  ;D


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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2015, 05:23:02 pm »
Oh Gosh, what if Violet would get herself a new bow. Make Ash immensly jealous. How fun wouldn't that be!? I can already imagine potential candidates.  ;D
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2015, 08:37:19 am »
Hmmmm, I'll have to check this out.


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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2015, 11:13:24 am »
Hmmmm, I'll have to check this out.

You absolutely should check it out. You won't be disappointed. You are up for lovely treat.

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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2015, 12:02:59 pm »
*makes mental note to check TV schedule when I get home*


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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2015, 01:58:05 pm »
Love the things they do to make sure the dog is still alive.

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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2015, 06:55:51 am »
Love the things they do to make sure the dog is still alive.

The water spray must be Very pleasant.  :)

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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2015, 08:35:28 am »
Love the things they do to make sure the dog is still alive.

The water spray must be Very pleasant.  :)

Ok, now I have to see this!  LOL


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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2015, 08:36:04 am »
-The show was originally titled "Vicious Old Queens", but this was thought of as too obscene and so was shortened to just "Vicious".

Just that title alone makes me want to laugh!


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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2015, 12:48:30 pm »
Just that title alone makes me want to laugh!

I'm sure after seeing this episode you are totally sold. Want more. Can't wait for season two to start. ( Unfortunately you haft wait to the summer. )
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Ian McKellen
Is Going to
Wear White
at Gay Pride


By Carl Swanson
June 27, 2015 5:31 p.m.



Ian McKellen



On June 28th, Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi are two of the grand marshals the 2015 Gay Pride Parade (sharing that honor with the artist J. Christopher Neal and Kasha Jacqueline Nabagesera, a Ugandan activist), on the weekend that the Supreme Court declared gay marriage a right in the United States. (See: this Vine they did to celebrate while wearing Stonewall Inn t-shirts, and playing Queen.) McKellen and Jacobi, both 76, play a gay couple on the PBS show “Vicious,” and have known each other since they were both Cambridge students, long before it was possible to be openly gay. McKellen was also in town to promote his film Mr. Holmes, in which he plays a mature Sherlock, no longer young.  We spoke to them on Saturday afternoon, as a rainstorm loomed over New York, presumably to be followed by a spectacularly inspiring rainbow.

Ian: I think we had three responsibilities as Grand Marshals, and one is have conversations like this with the media. The second was to attend the rally yesterday. And on Sunday we’ll be at the march. How are you doing Derek?

Derek: Hanging on by an eyelash.

I hope it’s not going to rain on the festivities tomorrow.

Ian: Is it raining?

Derek: It’s sort of raining now. I hope it gets it all over with before tomorrow.

It’s a tribute to you; Londony weather.

Ian: Don’t you be rude about London weather.

It’s a momentous weekend for gay people. Tell me about the changes you’ve seen in how gays have been treated in your lifetimes.

Ian: If you’re seventy-six years old, which Derek and I are, you’ve seen quite a bit of change. It was illegal to be gay in the UK when we were your age. We remember people going to prison for being gay. And to from that extreme to today, when there are now no laws which disadvantage gay people in the UK. But changing laws, that’s quite simple. You make your arguments, and when you are right about them, as we are, eventually people come around and people change. Of course, you are still left with the attitudes which underlie those laws. Still, there are people in the United States who will be feeling lonely and misunderstood in being gay. So the changes, they are person by person. That's a much longer process.

What was it like coming to New York, and being gay, years back?

Ian: I don’t know that this is true, but I have a distinct memory of, in 1967 when I filled out my visa form to come to the U.S. [to work on Broadway], I had to declare that I was not now nor ever had been gay. But you should check to see if that was true in 1967. Back then, you did not advertise your sexuality, and if you wanted to be open about it, you went to a private place. I remember going to the Tony Awards in 1981 with my boyfriend at the time, and someone coming up to me afterwards, privately, and thanking me for being open. That was in 1981!

Where did you go out in New York back then?

Ian: I went to a couple of gay bars and clubs, before the days of AIDS--that is when everything changed. But I don’t remember what they were called!

Coming out must have changed too.

Ian: Coming out is not a sudden process: being honest to yourself, about yourself; you come out to your best friend and your family and at work… it does take time. And if you are in the public eye, you have a further thing you do, talk about it in public.

And your talking about it makes young people see who they are, who they can be easier, don't you think? In some ways, they don’t have to come out, many of them, not in that way you think of it, in part because other people have, and because of films and TV, so they already know what they are: there are preexisting models for who they are.

Ian: The point of the laws changing is that we are all allowed  to be different. There is no one kind of gay person any more than there is one kind of straight person. We are what we are and who we are and we make a decision to talk about it or not.

Derek: I’ve never talked so much about being gay in my life as I have in the last two days! This conversation proves that I am bored with it. I’m going to get married with my other half with whom I’ve been for 38 years. But talking about it is boring.

You’re on a gay-rights press junket!

Ian: Yes, I’m in New York for the opening of a film and I'll be talking about it nonstop about myself anyway.

What is the most moving thing for you so far?

Ian: When Derek introduced his partner Richard to a crowd of strangers at the rally, and they cheered them to the skies. Not that they needed the affirmation.

Derek: I think tomorrow is going to be the high point. I’ve never been to a gay pride parade in my life. So I’m really starting at the top.

Why haven't you gone before in London?

Derek: I’m not sure. I'm often working or away...

Do you go, Ian?

Ian: Of course I do, I go. And if you happen to be in London and not working next year, Derek, I’m going to call you up and I'm sure you'll be delighted to go!

And what are you going to wear to the parade tomorrow?

Derek: [Laughs] I’m not quite sure yet but I think I’m going be vaguely in blue.

Ian: I will obviously be in white.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/theater/ian-mckellen-and-derek-jacobi-virgins-of-the-gay-pride-march.html



THEATER
Ian McKellen and
Derek Jacobi in a
Gay Pride March Debut


By DAVE ITZKOFF
JUNE 26, 2015



Ian McKellen, left, and Derek Jacobi, on the balcony of their Midtown hotel, will be grand marshals at
Sunday's Gay Pride March.




When Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi come sailing down Fifth Avenue in convertibles at the Gay Pride March on Sunday, they will not only be grand marshals at the annual event but also first-time attendees.

So on Thursday morning, these revered British actors, who appear together in the PBS sitcom “Vicious,” were wondering what awaited them beyond an afternoon of waving to fans and onlookers.

“I’m just a sponge for anything that might happen,” said Mr. Jacobi, the soft-spoken star of “I, Claudius” and countless stage productions.

Mr. McKellen, the “Lord of the Rings” and “X-Men” star, whose utterances are either deeply serious or extremely arch, opted for the second. “You may be in for a very, very happy weekend,” he replied.

On a visit to the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Community Center in the West Village, these two performers, who are both 76 and are gay, had come for a quick education on New York’s Pride events and their significance to the city on a weekend following the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling on same-sex marriage. (At this year’s 46th parade, Mr. Jacobi and Mr. McKellen share grand marshal duties with the artist J. Christopher Neal and Kasha Jacqueline Nabagesera, a Ugandan activist.)

Along the way, they revisited their personal histories and reflected on the progress they had seen in their often parallel lives.

Even if his and Mr. Jacobi’s principal goal in participating in the parade was simply to have “a lovely time,” Mr. McKellen said that their mere presence in it, as living links between a less progressive era and the present day, made a statement of its own.

“That’s what we’re doing by being here and waving,” he said. “We don’t have to be reading out a long list of demands.”

The two friends, who play a longtime gay couple on “Vicious,” first met as students at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s, where they bonded over their interests in acting, their working-class backgrounds and their sexuality.

“We knew we were both gay,” Mr. Jacobi said, “but we didn’t call it gay.” Euphemisms like “camp” and “queer” were the norm, they explained, at a time when homosexuality was still illegal in Britain.

Both men went on to illustrious stage and screen careers, to play Richard III and King Lear, and to receive knighthoods — “We’re pretty much the same person,” Mr. McKellen joked.

Unlike their industry forebears, who they said never acknowledged even to confidants that they were gay or bisexual, Mr. McKellen and Mr. Jacobi said actors of their generation could be open about their sexuality with friends and colleagues.

Yet Mr. McKellen did not come out publicly until 1988, at age 49, during a radio broadcast in which he and the conservative journalist Peregrine Worsthorne debated Britain’s so-called Section 28 legislation, which forbade authorities from “promoting homosexuality.”

As Mr. McKellen recalled it, “When he said something particularly nasty about gay people, I said I’m one of them myself.”

Mr. Jacobi, by his own reckoning, did not come out at all. “I kind of oozed out,” he said with a laugh.

While still in college, Mr. Jacobi said he told his mother he was gay, and her reaction was, “Oh, all boys go through this phase.”

Years later, Mr. Jacobi said: “I never made a point of stating: I am gay. I can’t explain why I didn’t do that. It wasn’t fear. It was just that, after a time, I assumed everybody knew.”

Today, the two men agree that Mr. McKellen, who is a member of gay advocacy and support groups like Stonewall U.K., is the far more vocal and political of their pairing.

On their visit to the L.G.B.T. center, Mr. McKellen kept its executive director, Glennda Testone, on her toes with a barrage of questions about its mission and funding.

When Ms. Testone said the center receives money from “every legal source you can imagine,” Mr. McKellen mischievously inquired: “Prostitution?”

“No,” Ms. Testone answered. “I said legal, remember.”

Mr. Jacobi, meanwhile, preferred to let his wide eyes do the talking after he was shown a Keith Haring mural teeming with imaginative depictions of male anatomy and its uses.

Asked what he thought of the artwork, Mr. Jacobi said, “I can’t quite speak yet.”

Gary Janetti, the writer and executive producer of “Vicious” (whose second season begins on Aug. 23), said in an interview that Mr. McKellen and Mr. Jacobi were embodiments of how the popular culture is important for gay people to learn about their peers and predecessors.

“You don’t learn gay history in school,” said Mr. Janetti, who has also produced comedies like “Will & Grace” and “Family Guy.”

“Until we actually have a textbook,” he continued, “we’re this subculture that has to pass down our history verbally.”

Beyond their professional accomplishments, Mr. Jacobi and Mr. McKellen have seen “extraordinary change take place in their lives,” Mr. Janetti said, and were gay at times that required “extraordinary courage.”

Mr. McKellen and Mr. Jacobi acknowledged that they have been criticized for their involvement in “Vicious,” which some reviewers have said offers a stereotypical depiction of a mincing, over-the-top gay couple.

“It’s an exaggeration of types,” Mr. McKellen said. “It’s not a social documentary.”

Even so, Mr. Jacobi said, “Vicious” was progressive in its own way, for being a rare sitcom to focus on gay men in their 70s.

“Ian asks the audience, every show, ‘At the top of those stairs, do you think they sleep in twin beds or a double bed?’ ” Mr. Jacobi said. “And 100 percent put their hands up for the double bed.”

After their visit to the L.G.B.T. center, Mr. McKellen and Mr. Jacobi were driven a few blocks south to the Stonewall Inn, the bar that is considered the birthplace of the American gay-rights movement.

Inside, they met a bartender who gave his name only as Tree, and who said that he was also 76 years old. When he turned 80, Tree said, it would coincide with the 50th anniversary of the riots that began there in June 1969.

“Then,” Mr. McKellen said to Tree, “they’re going to lay you out on the bar and lick you all over.”

Tree replied, “They don’t have to wait four years.”

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NEWS | LGBT ENTERTAINMENT
Ian McKellen
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celebrated marriage equality
by blasting Queen


BY JESSICA GOODMAN • @JESSGOOD
Posted June 26 2015 — 12:25 PM EDT





The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage on Friday, and while many stars celebrated online, no one reacted quite like Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi.

In Vine videos posted to BuzzFeed’s accounts, the duo – who are also acting as this year’s NYC Gay Pride grand marshals – celebrated with Stonewall Inn t-shirts, confetti and a faux marriage proposal, all while blasting Queen’s “We Are The Champions.” The most appropriate!

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2015, 12:38:08 pm »
I'm sure after seeing this episode you are totally sold. Want more. Can't wait for season two to start. ( Unfortunately you haft wait to the summer. )
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2015, 03:34:40 pm »
"No one wants to rape you!"

"What a horrible thing to say!"

:D :D :D


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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2015, 02:58:28 am »
Gandalf in a car??!!??!!   :o :o ;D

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2015, 02:09:07 pm »
"No one wants to rape you!"

"What a horrible thing to say!"

 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

I think I would probably like this show. It's always good to see two old pros being old pros together.  :)
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2015, 03:51:07 pm »
I've seen the episodes that are available on Youtube.

It's quite funny, although I think I would eventually get tired of hearing them insulting each other non stop.

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2015, 04:19:08 pm »
I've seen the episodes that are available on Youtube.

It's quite funny, although I think I would eventually get tired of hearing them insulting each other non stop.

I probably would, too. That was what finally turned me off Will and Grace many years ago.

The interesting thing was, at the time Will and Grace was having so much "insult humor," our local Public Television station was running As Time Goes By, and I remember thinking, How different! As Time Goes By was still funny, and yet nobody was insulting anyone at all.
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2015, 07:03:21 pm »
I definitely found it funny.  My mom occasionally enjoys "Britcoms", so I think I'll have to pick them up, and play them for her.


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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2015, 03:56:46 am »
I enjoy Britcoms too. Over the years we've had a lot of them on Swedish TV , and they're usually very funny.

When Monty Python was on for the first time in the 70s, those 30 min was the highlight of my week!  ;D

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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2015, 09:08:09 am »
Never liked Monty Python, still don't. 

I appreciate britcoms more now that I have British friends, and can "get" more of the terminology.


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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2015, 09:44:30 am »
Never liked Monty Python, still don't. 

British comedy covers such a wide spectrum. Monty Python never did much for me, either, and Benny Hill? Fuggedaboudit!

In college I read the comedies of Ben Jonson; they're early 17th century, but I found them hysterically funny, much funnier than Shakespeare (the way you can tell a Shakespeare play is a comedy is that at the end everyone ends up married instead of dead). I also read Oliver Goldsmith's She Stoops to Conquer--18th century and also quite funny--and Oscar Wilde's drawing room comedies--when performed properly, The Importance of Being Earnest is one of the funniest plays ever.

And then you get to television, and Britcoms still seem to span a wide spectrum. I've never seen Fawlty Towers, but I understand some people find it wonderful. And then you go all the way from the gentle comedy of As Time Goes By to the inimitable Are You Being Served? ("Take an inner leg, Mr. Humphries. ...")
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2015, 10:49:19 am »


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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2018, 10:37:23 pm »
;D ;D ;D

"Well, that came out of nowhere--"




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Vicious
S01E01: "Wake"
Original air date: 29 April 2013

Vicious aka Vicious Old Queens  is a British sitcom shown on ITV. The series stars Ian McKellen as Freddie and Derek Jacobi as Stuart, a gay couple who have been together for 48 years but endure a love/hate relationship.

Freddie and Stuart host a wake to mark the passing of an old friend. Joined by their small circle of elderly friends, the couple manage to create a splendidly awkward evening of very little food and biting insults. They are also joined by their young new neighbour Ash (Iwan Rheon), who spends the evening attempting to be a good guest whilst fending off the advances of Freddie and Stuart's best friend Violet (Frances de la Tour).




Ian McKellen as Freddie Thornhill
Derek Jacobii as Stuart Bixby
Frances de la Tour as Violet Crosby
Iwan Rheon as Ash Weston
Marcia Warren as Penelope
Philip Voss as Mason



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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2018, 12:45:24 am »
What I've seen of this series, I've laughed at!


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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2018, 01:07:49 pm »
What I've seen of this series, I've laughed at!



Ha! Chuck, the title should have been 'Silly Old Queens' rather than 'Vicious'!


"The ladies are a lot of work.
Men, on the other hand, are simpler."


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"I'm suddenly living with Peaches Geldof."
"Do you even know who that is?"
"No."


(Sadly, in real life and in real time, less then a year later after the
original airdate, Peaches Geldof was dead with an overdose at 25.)

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Vicious
S01E02: "Shopping"
Original air date: 6 May 2013

Vicious aka Vicious Old Queens  is a British sitcom shown on ITV. The series stars Ian McKellen as Freddie and Derek Jacobi as Stuart, a gay couple who have been together for 48 years but endure a love/hate relationship.

New neighbour Ash (Iwan Rheon) seeks advice from them on winning back his ex-girlfriend, and Violet (Frances de la Tour) and Penelope (Marcia Warren) take Ash shopping for a gift. Spotting Stuart working in a men's outfitters, the trio suspects him of having an affair, but Stuart admits that he has taken a job because Freddie's acting career is currently not bringing in enough money. Later, Freddie goes to the shop and makes the same discovery, but pretends to believe that Stuart is having an affair because he does not want to hurt his pride. Ash tells Violet that he won his girlfriend back, but after witnessing the sacrifices of Freddie and Stuart, admires their closeness and ends his frivolous relationship.




Ian McKellen as Freddie Thornhill
Derek Jacobii as Stuart Bixby
Frances de la Tour as Violet Crosby
Iwan Rheon as Ash Weston
Marcia Warren as Penelope
Philip Voss as Mason




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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2018, 05:57:53 pm »
I think "vicious" fits!  LOL


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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2018, 01:02:03 am »
I think "vicious" fits!  LOL


See how Sir Ian quickly made a funny rejoinder when the interviewer talked about the 'Vicious Old Queens' (around 5:50 - 6:00):
"Oh, I said, I'm not old."



 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Really, though, the two of them are so lovely!


 :) :) :)
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Interview
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Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
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Vicious
TimesTalks
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Published on Nov 14, 2014



Hear Derek Jacobi and Ian McKellen, interviewed by Pulitzer Prize–winning New York Times  London correspondent John F. Burns. The two co–stars of the hit U.K. and U.S. sitcom Vicious — co–created, written and produced by Gary Janetti — are recognized worldwide as acting royalty for their careers on stage and screen.





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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2018, 11:39:05 am »


The Vicious Boys at NYC Pride 2015!

 ;) ;) ;)


Sir Derek to Sir Ian:
"You stay in the car, dear."

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Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
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Vicious
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Vicious  stars Sir Derek Jacobi and Sir Ian McKellen have been name Grand Marshals for the 2015 NYC Pride March, along with J. Christopher Neal and Kasha Jacqueline Nabagesera. The March takes place Sunday June 28 2015.




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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2018, 12:07:46 pm »
Thanks for reviving this, John. I missed it the first time around!!
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Re: "Vicious": British comedy with Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2018, 09:15:02 pm »
I thought it was funny the way they fawned over Ash.


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!