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Re: The Deleted Hippie Scene from the 2004 Screenplay.
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2007, 01:04:07 pm »
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it is all in your perspective!

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Re: The Deleted Hippie Scene from the 2004 Screenplay.
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2007, 02:54:10 pm »
                 


Sorry to interrupt the discussion for a moment here.

I think now we know where Heath gets his ideas for fashion from. Gosh, look at this green thing on the one girl's head. Wonder if Heath stole this from the costume's department...  ;)

On a second thought...
Or maybe this wasn't a deleted scene at all. It's Heath's personal fashion guru and her daughter visiting him on the set  ;) ;D
Must be it. I think I solved the mystery of the infamous hippie scene  ;D ;).





On a more serious note:
As everybody, I'm glad this scene wasn't in the movie. I have no idea what James Schamus thought when he wrote it. It seems so detached, so un-fitting with the actual movie. It's like seeing a Pterosaur in Hitchcock's The Birds: they both fly, but they're worlds apart.

The only thing I can imagine it could have been for is humorous relief. I like the banter between them (and alone therefore I'd love to see the scene, but please not in the movie!). I can picture a quite good-humored Ennis in it, reading his remarks about the coyote, Jack's hat and his obviously good mood when riding away, despite Jack's remark about him being pretty well hung up.
And I think his remark about scalping the hippie could fit into that scheme.

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Re: The Deleted Hippie Scene from the 2004 Screenplay.
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2007, 04:29:15 pm »

Sorry to interrupt the discussion for a moment here.

I think now we know where Heath gets his ideas for fashion from. Gosh, look at this green thing on the one girl's head. Wonder if Heath stole this from the costume's department...  ;)

On a second thought...
Or maybe this wasn't a deleted scene at all. It's Heath's personal fashion guru and her daughter visiting him on the set  ;) ;D
Must be it. I think I solved the mystery of the infamous hippie scene  ;D ;).





On a more serious note:
As everybody, I'm glad this scene wasn't in the movie. I have no idea what James Schamus thought when he wrote it. It seems so detached, so un-fitting with the actual movie. It's like seeing a Pterosaur in Hitchcock's The Birds: they both fly, but they're worlds apart.

The only thing I can imagine it could have been for is humorous relief. I like the banter between them (and alone therefore I'd love to see the scene, but please not in the movie!). I can picture a quite good-humored Ennis in it, reading his remarks about the coyote, Jack's hat and his obviously good mood when riding away, despite Jack's remark about him being pretty well hung up.
And I think his remark about scalping the hippie could fit into that scheme.

 :laugh:  :laugh:

thanks for a good laugh Chrissi!  :)


And i agree with everyone here, i'm glad that scene didn't make it in the movie. It would have fitted in the movie like that girl 'fitted' on Ennis' horse.
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Re: The Deleted Hippie Scene from the 2004 Screenplay.
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2007, 04:49:45 pm »

Don't remember any movies where the good guys went around scalping people.   :laugh:

You know, the whole scene *is* oddly reminiscent of every Western made before 1980: A wagon with some travellers out in the middle of nowhere, in unknown territory, stuck  - and then the natives come riding up, talking of scalping and showing their easy command of the horses and their environment. If Jack and Ennis'd started riding in circles round the car, brandishing their rifles in the air and doing some woo-wee yelling, they'd truly be copying native Americans in any number of diligence-chasing scenes in any number of Westerns. Perhaps that's where the whole scalping comment fits in, too. Because I really can't see Ennis saying something like that, even in jest, in the movie proper - why would that particular idea even enter his mind? Because hippies have long hair, which according to cowboy standards needs to be cut = scalped?  ??? Nope. It seems there's some - uhm- subtle subtext here: ;)  J&E are cowboys and look the part to perfection, but there's something else about them - some part of their behaviour contrasts with the cowboy image and has them taking on other roles, opposite to expectations. On one level therefore, the whole thing's an attempted light-hearted riff on  "westerns" and a variation of the "gay cowboy" theme!  ;D


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It's Heath's personal fashion guru...


Very interesting idea there, Chrissi. However I find it a little far-fetched that any one single person, however guru-like, could possibly be the source of Heath's dress code. It's so far out and special I think it can only come about through mixing equal parts Heath's taste and pure coincidence. You know how our guys kept some props as memories from the shooot, though? Jake kept some boots, I think. I bet Heath snatched that scarf-thingie. just like you suggest. I'm *sure* I must have seen him wearing it, on days when he left the too-large violet woolen hat at home.  ;D


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Or maybe they were going to CGI deeper water in later, kinda like with the sheep.  I guess it could happen.

It's possible. Perhaps the chosen location for the shoot proved to have much less water than anticipated, once they got to filming....  and so they had to resort to some Plan B.

Well, if CGI deep water was being planned, Jake should certainly feel right at home, having so recently been in the thick of things when the seas reclaimed Manhattan.  ;)


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Re: The Deleted Hippie Scene from the 2004 Screenplay.
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2007, 08:53:02 pm »
My very country grandmother used to talk crap about hippies all the time and I think the "scalping" Ennis was talking about was about the long hair on men and them needing a haircut. Our boys were gay, but they were country gay.

In the rural areas of America in the late 60's and early 70's a man with long hair could count on being harassed, arrested, beaten or even killed in rural areas. Actually some of the harassment was homophobia as men with long hair were considered to be effeminate and unmanly. I think that may have been the ironic symbolism that was meant in the misguided attempt to put this scene in the movie.

Glad it was not in the final movie, but I really want to see deleted scenes someday, I feel cheated by both BBM DVDs I bought, as I was sure the second edition would have more stuff on it and it didn't have much of anything that I didn't already have on my shelf with the first one.

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Re: The Deleted Hippie Scene from the 2004 Screenplay.
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2007, 09:12:20 pm »
I could get used to the double entendre line. The only other direct sexual reference that either of them ever makes is Jack's comment about high-altitude f*cks. I like that line a lot, so in another context I can see liking the "well hung up" comment for the same reason.

I don't think I could have.  :( One reason I think "high altitude fucks" doesn't jar is because these are guys who use "fuck" as a kind of all-purpose expletive ("Jack fuckin' Twist," "Get the fuck off me"). Reading the line, the "well hung up" even "sounds" out of character to me--maybe because we don't ordinarily hear these guys making double-entendres. It strikes me as that sort of humor is maybe more sophisticated than they are.

In any case--thank God this scene was left out of the final cut!

Oh, and as Leslie said, the scene was written by James Schamus. The copy of the version of the script that I have that includes the hippie scene says right on the cover that it includes additions by James Schamus.
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Re: The Deleted Hippie Scene from the 2004 Screenplay.
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2007, 10:05:44 pm »
Fill in the blank:

As a writer, James Schamus is no _________________.

a)  Annie Proulx
b)  Larry McMurtry
c)  Diana Ossana
d)  All of the above.

I'm going with d).    :)

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Re: The Deleted Hippie Scene from the 2004 Screenplay.
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2007, 10:31:20 pm »
One reason I think "high altitude fucks" doesn't jar is because these are guys who use "fuck" as a kind of all-purpose expletive ("Jack fuckin' Twist," "Get the fuck off me"). Reading the line, the "well hung up" even "sounds" out of character to me--maybe because we don't ordinarily hear these guys making double-entendres. It strikes me as that sort of humor is maybe more sophisticated than they are.

Good point, Jeff! I think maybe subconsciously I felt that way, too. And it also helps explain why the "I coulda been a hippie if I'd had more education" doesn't sound right to me.

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Re: The Deleted Hippie Scene from the 2004 Screenplay.
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2007, 11:13:11 pm »
Toast, I have to ask: where did you get those stills?? 

I mean, I've seen this one:    but never the rest. Where did you find those? Please tell me!

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Re: The Deleted Hippie Scene from the 2004 Screenplay.
« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2007, 11:41:45 am »
I don't quite know what Board policy is towards linking to threads on other BBM boards, but I'm taking the chance since this one is too good to be missed. Delete if you must, mods.

This is the link to the new thread  that just started over at Dave Culllen's, collecting everyone's pics from deleted scenes and deleted parts of scenes, and outtakes. And if *ever* there was a thread that showcased why we simply *need * and *must* and *should* get to see and own all those deleted scenes, not just the Hippies..... ! So many goodies here. Also for those who especially favour seeing Heath-as-Ennis smiling.  :)

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=22668.0