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delalluvia:
--- Quote from: hungry_hungryhippos on May 05, 2006, 01:43:27 am ---Come on, fair go. To all those who think immigration isn't an idea they'd entertain, imagine the lengths you'd go to in order to protect your family and loved ones should terrorist attacks like 9/11 be happening once a month in your country? If i knew there was a safer place where i could start all over again, I'd be there in a flash..
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Good question Sheyne, but what comes to mind is Israel. Despite quite a few incidents monthly, they seemed determined to stay put and make it work.
littledarlin:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 05, 2006, 01:43:08 am ---Doesn't bother me. What bothers me is a bunch of people moving in that have right-wing religious beliefs that translateinto voting power.
That should bother you, too. It bothers me now with Dubya and company and their religious views in power.
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religious fundamentalists bother me, yes. but we also have freedom of religion here (well, kind of). just because i disagree with someones point of view does not mean i feel they should have any less of a right to express it than i do. and look at US! look at america! we have sat by for 6 years pretending to make progress, when really we've just been sitting back while a fundamentalist administration lied, cheated, and stole the country away from us. they stole 2 elections! clinton got a blow job and he's gone! but bush has KILLED in our name and there he sits.
it's so much easier for us because we can sit and discuss this all day and night from the safety of our homes, and i will not pretend for a second to know what it's really like for anyone else who is not me, but no one should be denied a chance to live their lives comfortably and happily.
--- Quote ---Frankly, we ALL would, littledarlin.. People living in a reasonably economically stable society forget how tough things are in some parts of the world. It just kills me that people get to sitting in their little ivory towers and say "oh poor Africa, poor south america etc" and then get uneasy that these people for wanting to seek a better life in our countries. Or worse, that they are starting to make sweeping generalisations about what they will do once they're here. As though the actions of one person of a particular cultural group earns us the right to slap the label on all of them?
Come on, fair go. To all those who think immigration isn't an idea they'd entertain, imagine the lengths you'd go to in order to protect your family and loved ones should terrorist attacks like 9/11 be happening once a month in your country? If i knew there was a safer place where i could start all over again, I'd be there in a flash..
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sheyne, i think you have summed up all 4 pages of this thread in that comment.
--- Quote ---It sounds like this topic is getting pretty heated....
Let's try and remember that we're all here to love and support one another.
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yes, daniel. you're right. i can still feel the love.
it's past my bed time. gotta go. night!
delalluvia:
--- Quote ---but no one should be denied a chance to live their lives comfortably and happily.
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This about sums it up Little.
This is a wonderful sentiment, but how realistic? Even our Founding Fathers knew this. We had the right to the PURSUIT of happiness. There were no guarantees we were going to get it. We might fall short, might fall into poverty and despair. Nowhere in our government documents is there any guarantee, certainly not for the govt to pick up the tab to ensure that it happens.
Not even for its own citizens.
Why should it be any different for anyone else around the world?
rtprod:
--- Quote ---Let's try and remember that we're all here to love and support one another.
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Well, many of these issues are personal for many people. And we take them on that level.
rt
JennyC:
--- Quote from: littledarlin on May 04, 2006, 11:27:29 pm ---secondly, the uae is a major human rights violator with laws that are sexist, racist and all around discriminatory. they also have serious issues with human trafficking, especially children as sex slaves. it's changing though, things have got better, but the timing just doesn't seem right.
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Sorry Andrew, we just have to disagree on this. I don’t think because UAE has problems with human rights, it then justifies its company to be unfairly treated when it comes to doing business with US. It’s not like US does not have any human rights issues (gay rights being one of them). One issue I have (and probably many others have too) is US tends to impose its own value system, standard and ways of doing things onto other counties. I am not saying that everything US imposes is not correct, but a lot of times, it does so without acknowledge or give consideration to other countries history, culture, stage of the economic progress, etc. It makes the US looks arrogant, particularly so if US can not hold itself to that standard.
This also reminded me what happened after Palestinian election when Hamas won the election. Like it or not, Palestinian people chose Hamas to lead their country. I totally disagree on Bush administration’s effort to alienate Palestine from other counties aide. It’s the best opportunities they had to establish some working relationship with Hamas, to have some impact on shaping the Middle East peace talk. They chose to stand on their ideology, which is unfortunate. I liked what ex-president Jimmy Carter said in Larry King Live (I think it was Larry King Live) “(US should) give Hamas a chance”.
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