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ednbarby:
Right on, Andrew and RT.
It's that very notion you speak of that made me change my party affilliation from Republican to Democrat in 1992. I realized that way too many Republicans (pretty much all of them) I knew personally and knew of in the media viewed the world like this: If it doesn't affect me *directly*, I don't care. Trouble is I did and I do. I think life should be about trying to make the world a better place not just for ourselves but for everyone we can. The Republicans I know call this throwing money at the problem. What's the alternative? Doing nothing? Eating and drinking in merry oblivion while they suffer and die when we have the money and power to do something about it? And meanwhile try to "spread Democracy" to regions that just plain don't want it/didn't ask for it just because it furthers our own oil-hungry agenda? I'd rather jab a sharp stick in my eye than subscribe to a policy like that.
delalluvia:
--- Quote ---I actually feel sorry for her. Think about it, if she agreed to marry a man she met via postal service, she must have been in a desperate situation. And her boyfriend was probably a poor boy who had no choice but to become a drug mule. People aren't always downright evil.
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Hi opinionista,
Not sure why you would feel sorry for her. If you missed it, she admitted she had no intention of ever MARRYING anyone. What she wanted - and got - was a free trip to the U.S. so she could be with her boyfriend.
In case you also missed it, she took my relative's money under false pretenses and when he tried to right the wrong by sending her home, she also took that money as well and jumped ship.
Then she called to make fun of him.
This relative of mine - misguided or not - was in love with her. So you also got his feelings wrapped up in this.
And you tell me you feel sorry for her.
OK, to each their own. :-\
--- Quote ---take our jobs!
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, um, yeah.
Yes, my half-brother works in construction, yes, my cousin works in lawn care. We're all from legal immigrants or were born here. So I guess they could tell you who is 'taking their jobs' and who isn't.
And yes, there are people who are against ALL immigration. Some others have no problem against immigrants, but have a lot of problems with ILLEGAL immigration.
There IS a difference.
So we have one 'side' demonizing illegal immigrants and we have another 'side' demonizing people who want to limit immigrants.
Hmmm...
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: rtprod on May 05, 2006, 11:38:42 am ---Well, at least we got a laugh out of that last line. I too think this concept of staying to fight for a revolution when your economy stinks and your government is rife with corruption and you don't have food on the table is laughable.
But then I was "lucky" enough to be born a white male in America (gay, yeah, but I can "pass" if need be), so what would I know about it?
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rt and sparkle,
Today is Cinco de Mayo. In which the Mexican army consisting of irregulars and peasant farmers armed with machetes and old rifles fought off the army of Napoleon III at Puebla.
I think you have a very strange idea of what people - poor or not - rallied properly can accomplish. You guys seem to think that because they are poor, they are nothing but passive participants in life, helpless and can never accomplish anything unless they have help. If you want to ignore the American Revolution, the French Revolution and various Mexican revolutions, be my guest, but the participants of those battles might surprise you.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: starboardlight on May 05, 2006, 12:16:59 pm ---ironically, outsourcing may be just the thing that solves immigration problems. at the heart of immigration issue, people want to come to the US for jobs, but if the jobs went to these people, they won't feel the need to come here any longer. Looking at India and China for instance. There has been a decline in immigration from these two countries in the last decade. Before immigrants who came here on student visa would try to shift to B1-H status. With the quota on how many can get work visa, the major of these student simply abandon their visa in order to stay in the US. That is happening much less these days, because the jobs are available back in India and China. I'm not saying that exporting high-tech jobs to Mexico would stop the tides of immigration, but it's a model worth studying in terms of dealing the issue.
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This is very interesting I'm not sure it would work well. Many companies outsource in order to cut overhead. There is a lot of abuse in 3rd world countries - sweat shops, Kathy Gifford, Union Carbide etc - when this kind of thing happens. Those companies do business in certain areas because the worker protection laws are lax or non-existent. This is how they save money. If companies that outsourced overseas or in south of the border countries were held to the same stringent standards of safety, pay scale, benefits etc., as here in the U.S. it would no longer be cost-effective to outsource.
Also, companies are very hesitant to invest in Mexico after the last nationalization of everything seized American investments in that country.
rtprod:
--- Quote ---I think you have a very strange idea of what people - poor or not - rallied properly can accomplish. You guys seem to think that because they are poor, they are nothing but passive participants in life, helpless and can never accomplish anything unless they have help. If you want to ignore the American Revolution, the French Revolution and various Mexican revolutions, be my guest, but the participants of those battles might surprise you
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Do you have a personal connection to this in any way? Myself, I have lived in the same house with Mexican immigrants in my life and know their day to day struggles, straight A bilingual children who pay out of pocket for basic medical care, and they all live a hand to mouth existence. They must sacrifice time with their children, decent living conditions and self-respect to satisfy basic human needs. They are interested in keeping their heads down and providing for themselves and their families. They are not capable of or interested in revolution. Period. If you could see what I have seen, you might not feel so hardline on this.
Further, many Mexican nationals love their country madly and wish they could make a go of it there, some dream of going back when they have a substantial financial standing while others want to remain here. None I've seen have entered the country to commit crimes, defraud good people and sponge off social programs. I just don't see it, sorry. Perhaps my own experience has colored my view as well, but I'd rather error on the side of inclusion than otherwise. That's just me.
I'm sorry you can't see the human face of this issue, and sadly there are many who feel the same. Let the generalizations sweep. Sorry for the graphic nature of this photo, but this is the risk faced and unfortunate reality for, I'm sure, many:
This conversation has reached an exhausted dead end, in my book.
rt
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