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littledarlin:
--- Quote from: JennyC on May 05, 2006, 03:03:54 am ---Sorry Andrew, we just have to disagree on this.
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hi jenny! i wasn't saying i agree! i was just pointing out why it was an issue. the reason i brought up initially is to show the hypocrisy of the administration. which we have several examples floating around now lol
and sparkle
--- Quote ---And the theory of "they're taking our jobs!" reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend. She said the same exact thing. I laughed heartily and said YOU HAVE A JOB, ARE YOU RETARDED?
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you should tell your friend no one's taking our jobs! any job worth having you have to have computer skills, a college degree, and experience. now all these people that complain about jobs being taken, i'd like to see them do one of those jobs that are "being taken" for a day.
and hell, these days, there aren't jobs left to be taken! i wish i had a figure of how many jobs we lost since 2000. i know the gmc and ford have laid off millions and closed several plants alone.
now OUTSOURCING jobs to countries with qualified people to avoid paying taxes and fair wages, now THAT'S something to be upset about.
starboardlight:
--- Quote from: littledarlin on May 05, 2006, 12:01:26 pm ---now OUTSOURCING jobs to countries with qualified people to avoid paying taxes and fair wages, now THAT'S something to be upset about.
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ironically, outsourcing may be just the thing that solves immigration problems. at the heart of immigration issue, people want to come to the US for jobs, but if the jobs went to these people, they won't feel the need to come here any longer. Looking at India and China for instance. There has been a decline in immigration from these two countries in the last decade. Before immigrants who came here on student visa would try to shift to B1-H status. With the quota on how many can get work visa, the major of these student simply abandon their visa in order to stay in the US. That is happening much less these days, because the jobs are available back in India and China. I'm not saying that exporting high-tech jobs to Mexico would stop the tides of immigration, but it's a model worth studying in terms of dealing the issue.
ednbarby:
All right, I'll jump in the pool hip deep. GAH! That's COLD! OK. I'll dangle my toes.
Here in South Florida, as you can imagine, we certainly have our share of immigrants - of the illegal and legal varieties. Most, if not all, of them have come here to escape economic hardships most of us here can only imagine. Then there is the Cuban population. The poster children of the Right for being their shining example of how we so readily aid the oppressed. I guess it's OK if we disagree with their country's mode of government (dictatorship/fascism = OK, communism = bad) and they're pretty much completely vulnerable to us.
Diving in, now...
We employ a Columbian woman. She cleans our house from top to bottom every other Monday. Our next-door neighbor recommended her to us about six months ago. Says she's been cleaning her house for years. Says she does an excellent job, is trustworthy, and a pleasure to deal with. She charges the going rate - no more, no less. So we hired her. And she has proven to be all the things our neighbor told us she was. We never asked if she was legal. But had we found out she wasn't, I don't think it would have been a deterrent. I'd have figured they've gotta work, too. And it might as well be for someone like us who would treat her with kindness and respect.
She called us Monday morning to say she couldn't clean the house that day because she was staying home/attending the rally in her area in support of the boycott. My husband said power to her, we support that 100% and think it's a very important statement they're making. She rescheduled with us for next week.
If it turns out she is illegal, I guess neither of us can ever run for a major public office. Fine by me. Because it's not the politicians who make things better (or worse). It's the rest of us.
rtprod:
--- Quote ---If it turns out she is illegal, I guess neither of us can ever run for a major public office. Fine by me. Because it's not the politicians who make things better (or worse). It's the rest of us.
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You just hit the nail on the head. This is exactly why I participated in orchestrating a green card marriage -- because politicians failed to make something right become possible.
It's funny how so many prefer to talk about this "issue" and not the human beings behind it. I doubt those here who so radically oppose legalizing undocumented workers have ever had a personal connection to one.
rt
littledarlin:
--- Quote from: rtprod on May 05, 2006, 12:41:23 pm ---You just hit the nail on the head. This is exactly why I participated in orchestrating a green card marriage -- because politicians failed to make something right become possible.
It's funny how so many prefer to talk about this "issue" and not the human beings behind it. I doubt those here who so radically oppose legalizing undocumented workers have ever had a personal connection to one.
rt
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exactly!!! this is what's wrong with the world, people aren't able to empathize with someone unless they are right in front of their face, and even then it doesn't always work. there are people who believe we should be in iraq, and the fact that we are there on false pretenses doesn't phase them, they honestly want to just nuke them. no consideration of the millions and millions of innocent people there, all because of a vendetta the bush family has against sadaam hussein. all for oil. the roots of these feelings are racist, and extremely childish.
but this formula is applied to nearly every minority, including gays. someone can be the biggest homophobe in the world, but one day they found out their child or friend or someone close to them is gay and it completely shakes their belief system and they see things in a new light.
--- Quote ---ironically, outsourcing may be just the thing that solves immigration problems. at the heart of immigration issue, people want to come to the US for jobs, but if the jobs went to these people, they won't feel the need to come here any longer. Looking at India and China for instance. There has been a decline in immigration from these two countries in the last decade. Before immigrants who came here on student visa would try to shift to B1-H status. With the quota on how many can get work visa, the major of these student simply abandon their visa in order to stay in the US. That is happening much less these days, because the jobs are available back in India and China. I'm not saying that exporting high-tech jobs to Mexico would stop the tides of immigration, but it's a model worth studying in terms of dealing the issue.
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that's a really good point, nipith, and i never really considered that. although now it seems kind of obvious. but i don't think it would ever fly. people who oppose immigration all together just want nothing to do with these people. going back again to the issue of racism and nationalism. but it's definitely something to think about.
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