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j.U.d.E.:
I'm still intrigued about why this scene seems so very important - in so many ways.. I mean, we do get to know a very important fact - Ennis is still a virgin, but I was thinking about something else. You have two young strapping lads involved in a serious conversation and yet, there's never any 'girl talk' as you might think 19 year old guys would have.

Same thing when in an earlier scene, Ennis tells Jack about him getting married to Alma in November and Jack not reacting at all! Rather he continues bitching about Aguirre. Also, the look we have on Ennis' face right then, suggests to me, that this non-girl-talk from Jack might have been a first hint, that 'girls' don't interest Jack.

And one more thing - what on earth is Ennis poking at the fire all through the Pentecost scene?! It looks like it isn't even the fire he's aiming.. Is he nervous? About what?

~ j U d E

TJ:
The Pentecost scene was an embellishment created for the movie. All of the dialog in that scene is not even in the original Annie Proulx story where even Ennis sang, too.

We might assume that Ennis Del Mar was a virgin sexually speaking by what is implied; but, I am not sure that he really was. Because the book's Ennis knew why he had the clear slick (at the end of his penis) which helped some as lubrication and he knew that he needed spit for extra lubrication, I think that Ennis was not a virgin when it came to being with guys.

Annie Proulx mentions Ennis being engaged to Alma in her introduction of Ennis and Jack at Aguirre's trailer.

But, bookwise, we only know that up on Brokeback Ennis had talked about Alma and him getting married  when the guys are about ready to DRIVE their pickup trucks off in opposite directions after getting paid in August.

The fire poking might have just been something that Heath Ledger decided to do.

j.U.d.E.:
Interesting TJ!


--- Quote ---I think that Ennis was not a virgin when it came to being with guys
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You're saying what here? That Ennis had had sex with other guys before Jack? Hmm? All this time I was thinking at how Ennis' first sexual experience was with a guy, then Alma for a while.. and his last time with a guy again (Jack obviously). Then after Jack's death, to me it's like - that's it - Ennis will never again be with anyone again. I can't picture it.

I've read the novel twice (only), but my memory is like a sieve..


--- Quote ---The fire poking might have just been something that Heath Ledger decided to do.
--- End quote ---
Could be. Like the idea. We all know how 'fidgety' Heath can be.. Cute.

~ j U d E

cmr107:

--- Quote from: TJ on May 03, 2006, 07:18:44 pm ---We might assume that Ennis Del Mar was a virgin sexually speaking by what is implied; but, I am not sure that he really was. Because the book's Ennis knew why he had the clear slick (at the end of his penis) which helped some as lubrication and he knew that he needed spit for extra lubrication, I think that Ennis was not a virgin when it came to being with guys.
--- End quote ---

I'd like to point out the line "nothing he'd done before but no instruction manual needed."

TJ:

--- Quote from: cmr107 on May 03, 2006, 08:48:28 pm ---I'd like to point out the line "nothing he'd done before but no instruction manual needed."

--- End quote ---

Yes, I know that line; but, I think that Annie Proulx was using irony here and conjunction "but" implies that she is. I have heard people say the opposite of what they meant or even read in other people's writings where a statement like what you quoted was made and the author contradicted it in the text later.

I am not that familiar with Annie Proulx's writings; and I have a problem keeping concentration for very long in books these days. But, I did look at some of her works in the Central branch of the local library system and it seems that she wrote Brokeback Mountain differently than what I was able to read in the shelved books of hers.

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