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tent scene, in the short story.
TJ:
--- Quote from: starboardlight on May 15, 2006, 01:44:02 pm ---i had thought that too, but rereading the passage, it seems that the intimacy started before. Maybe that simply meant that they, in sleepy haze, cuddled?
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Oh, I think that they were wide awake when they had the deepened intimacy. Ennis had slept off some of his "dizzy drunk"-ness before he woke Jack up. Ennis had snored first. The intimacy began shortly Ennis got into Jack's bedroll; it might have started with Jack trying get Ennis physically warm.
RouxB:
I think Silk it correct-the deeping of the intimacy was a foreshadowing of what was about to take place. The hand on cock and subsequent coupling was the deepened intimacy.
Rayn:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on May 15, 2006, 12:08:38 pm ---Rayn, I agree with everything you say here. But I have trouble understanding what it is you have trouble understanding.
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Oh, just that all the seemingly endless talk of small details in book or movie or book vs movie: It appears these threads often miss the important messages in the "big picture", you know, the larger details? Besides, I find trying to keep up with every detail of what character placed his or her hand on his or her wrist or throat or whether someone was looking at "his mouth" instead of "his eyes" really a bit much to keep up with, so, I don't, but if you like that sort of thing... have at it!
Smile....
Rayn
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Rayn on May 16, 2006, 02:12:51 am ---Oh, just that all the seemingly endless talk of small details in book or movie or book vs movie: It appears these threads often miss the important messages in the "big picture", you know, the larger details? Besides, I find trying to keep up with every detail of what character placed his or her hand on his or her wrist or throat or whether someone was looking at "his mouth" instead of "his eyes" really a bit much to keep up with, so, I don't, but if you like that sort of thing... have at it!
Smile....
Rayn
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I think part of it is, we all long to talk about ANYTHING involving this movie, so people find whatever they can to discuss and be interested in. And maybe we feel we're running out of things to say about the big picture. I sure hope not! If you have ideas for big picture topics for threads, Rayn, I encourage you to start them! I promise I will contribute!
The other thing is that, in the movie at least, a lot of those questions like who looked at who when and who put his hand where are actually often important in showing what people are thinking. For instance, in the tent scene, it's a big turning point when Ennis pauses to look at Jack and moves toward him and then throws him off and then grabs him. And the hand-holding is telling. In other scenes, eye contact that's held a beat longer than normal is often really revealing. And so on. It doesn't always mean something, but many times it does, so it seems worth pinning down those details.
starboardlight:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on May 16, 2006, 08:35:14 am ---I think part of it is, we all long to talk about ANYTHING involving this movie, so people find whatever they can to discuss and be interested in. And maybe we feel we're running out of things to say about the big picture. I sure hope not! If you have ideas for big picture topics for threads, Rayn, I encourage you to start them! I promise I will contribute!
The other thing is that, in the movie at least, a lot of those questions like who looked at who when and who put his hand where are actually often important in showing what people are thinking. For instance, in the tent scene, it's a big turning point when Ennis pauses to look at Jack and moves toward him and then throws him off and then grabs him is a big turning point. And the hand-holding is telling. In other scenes, eye contact that's held a beat longer than normal is often really revealing. And so on. It doesn't always mean something, but many times it does, so it seems worth pinning down those details.
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yep, i do think the small details sometimes reveal something about the bigger picture. in this case, I'm just taking note of the fact that Ennis, in the short story, was not as conflicted about being intimate with Jack. He didn't pull away, but rather ran full throttle with it.
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