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tent scene, in the short story.
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--- Quote from: starboardlight on May 16, 2006, 11:47:23 am ---yep, i do think the small details sometimes reveal something about the bigger picture. in this case, I'm just taking note of the fact that Ennis, in the short story, was not as conflicted about being intimate with Jack. He didn't pull away, but rather ran full throttle with it.
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Definitely. So how do you feel about that, Nipith? Personally, I like the movie's version better. Ennis' inner struggle, and ultimate conquering of his fears, makes the situation more interesting for me. But perhaps others have different opinions ...
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--- Quote from: latjoreme on May 16, 2006, 11:56:04 am ---Definitely. So how do you feel about that, Nipith? Personally, I like the movie's version better. Ennis' inner struggle, and ultimate conquering of his fears, makes the situation more interesting for me. But perhaps others have different opinions ...
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I'm not sure how I feel about it. I certainly agree that both Ennis and Jack are more fleshed out in the film. I didn't get a very good sense of what Jack is like in the story, where as in the film, I can almost wrap my arms around him.
With Ennis, I kinda want to take what I get from the story into the movie. I want to see him as clearly understanding that he's queer but just doesn't know how to fit into the world, not being able to envision a life as a queer man, being afraid of other people finding out. I want to see his fear as that of the consequences as oppose to being afraid to be who he is. I haven't made up my mind if that is the case or not in the film.
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--- Quote from: starboardlight on May 17, 2006, 02:54:10 pm ---With Ennis, I kinda want to take what I get from the story into the movie. I want to see him as clearly understanding that he's queer but just doesn't know how to fit into the world, not being able to envision a life as a queer man, being afraid of other people finding out. I want to see his fear as that of the consequences as oppose to being afraid to be who he is. I haven't made up my mind if that is the case or not in the film.
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No, in my opinion the Ennis you describe is Story Ennis. I think Move Ennis IS afraid to be who he is. But actually that's what I like about him. To me, that sets his love of Jack against greater odds and greater stakes -- thereby intensifying the importance of their relationship. And it makes his emotional journey longer, thus more moving.
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--- Quote from: latjoreme on May 17, 2006, 03:14:19 pm ---No, in my opinion the Ennis you describe is Story Ennis. I think Move Ennis IS afraid to be who he is. But actually that's what I like about him. To me, that sets his love of Jack against greater odds and greater stakes -- thereby intensifying the importance of their relationship. And it makes his emotional journey longer, thus more moving.
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i see where you're coming from. having been that "Ennis" at one point, I know how unbearably painful to hate yourself so much. I guess I want Ennis to have move forward from there a little, just to lighten his burden a bit. It breaks my heart too much to think of him that way.
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Well, by the end of the movie he has, right? Too late, unfortunately. But yes, that's what I mean, I find the movie more heartbreaking than the story for that very reason.
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