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Shakesthecoffecan:
I believe the Bible is like everything else, it has good and bad in it, nothing that is com[pletely good or completely bad can survive, it has to be an alloy.
You wil find a comandment to love your neighbor in one place, and stone him in another. Do with the book what you will, but live by what is in your heart.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: susiebk on March 12, 2008, 10:30:50 am ---Don't even get me started on Mormonism. Such an interesting set of beliefs, and so far from traditional Christianity. I recommend Jon Krakauer's book Under the Banner of Heaven, a fascinating study of Mormonism including the history of the religion.
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It is fascinating. A modern day mystery religion - in the vein of the Eleusian Mysteries.
Sadly though, what Bliss said down below is incorrect. The quote from her excellent post is:
--- Quote ---Can you imagine what would happen today if some guy turned up claiming to be the son of god, and then a bunch of his followers got together and wrote a book about it? They'd be laughed off the airwaves!
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No, they wouldn't be laughed off the airwaves or run out of town on a rail. Why did David Koresh have followers? He said he was the son of god, the messiah. He wasn't laughed out of Waco, his followers joined him in the burning pyre as martyrs. Men, women and children.
And speaking of believing in things and people that can easily be dismissed and debunked, check this out
http://secweb.infidels.org/?kiosk=articles&id=367
and read it when you have a moment. It's about the Mormon religion. For those of you who are Mormons or sympathetic, beware, the author is not particularly religious and at times is irreverent toward the LDS
optom3:
--- Quote from: Shakestheground on March 12, 2008, 07:43:38 pm ---I believe the Bible is like everything else, it has good and bad in it, nothing that is com[pletely good or completely bad can survive, it has to be an alloy.
You wil find a comandment to love your neighbor in one place, and stone him in another. Do with the book what you will, but live by what is in your heart.
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O.K I am going to plagiarise now.
What you say, for me makes the most sense of all.I am going to pinch the last sentence. and any time asked re religion in future,that is going to be my stock answer!!!!
Just thought I would warn you in advance of my future theft of your words,ad verbatim.
delalluvia:
--- Quote ---Quote from: Shakestheground on Today at 07:43:38 PM
I believe the Bible is like everything else, it has good and bad in it, nothing that is com[pletely good or completely bad can survive, it has to be an alloy.
You wil find a comandment to love your neighbor in one place, and stone him in another. Do with the book what you will, but live by what is in your heart.
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--- Quote ---O.K I am going to plagiarise now.
What you say, for me makes the most sense of all.I am going to pinch the last sentence. and any time asked re religion in future,that is going to be my stock answer!!!!
Just thought I would warn you in advance of my future theft of your words,ad verbatim.
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Reminds me of the Wiccan Rede:
"..an ye harm none, do what thou wilt..." ;D
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: susiebk on March 12, 2008, 10:26:46 am ---Anne Rice has long been one of my favorite authors (until recently), and I have her book about Christ, although I haven't read it yet. I believe she was raised a Catholic and was quite religious in her youth. I can imagine that her beliefs provide her comfort during these personal trials. And if belief can comfort people, then great. Like you, I think problems arise with proselytizing, but some religions require that, and those people trying to convert others truly do believe that they are being helpful, so I try to cut them some slack. At least those who try to convert with words and not force.
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I believe you are right, Anne Rice was raised Catholic, hence the heavy Catholic influence of her early Vampire books. The story of Louis and Claudia was Anne bringing her dead child back to life - resurrection in the only way she could.
I know proselytizing is a requirement of some religions but IMO that's one reason it's bad. Despite the best intentions of people, they are literally ordered by their faith to butt into other people's lives and mind other people's business.
If a Mormon wants to offer people another way of life, then they should build their church in Tegulcigapas or wherever, have some Mormon families live there and show the people around them a different way of life by example. Let the people most interested come to them, not send suburban Mormon kids there to teach and go door to door, convert a few, then go back home.
And yes, while I agree that voluntary conversion is much better than conversion by the sword as back in the old days and in some Islamic countries today, attempted conversion by words can be just as bad. Words can be insidious and just as dangerous.
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