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sexual orientation, jealousy, and the definition of infidelity.
BlissC:
--- Quote from: atz75 on March 14, 2008, 03:01:46 pm ---It seems important to realize that at this stage when he's still a teenager and still very much trying to figure life-situations out. Finding Jack as a friend and confidant really must have been a huge relief for him at this stage.
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I agree. It's easy to forget that they were both still very young at this stage in the story/film. Right from the start you get the impression that Jack is more "worldly wise" than Ennis. I know it's towards the end of the film, but Ennis's line about the furthest he's been travelling is around the coffee-pot looking for the handle (I love that line - there's just something so Ennis-like about the phrase!) is quite telling. As a teenager Ennis would have only the experience of being with his family - obviously just his brother and sister after his parents died - whereas Jack has already spread his wings so to speak and been off on the rodeo circuit.
optom3:
--- Quote from: atz75 on March 14, 2008, 01:38:39 pm ---Hi Lee,
I agree here. While Jack may be ready to understand a budding connection between himself and Ennis in terms of mutual attraction and latent sexual orientation, I don't think Ennis is there yet.
I do think that when Ennis uses the word "sinner" he's referring to sex in general (and probably at this point... heterosexual sex on a conscious level. His body language and eye-contact with Jack imply that he really is probably already attracted to Jack, but I don't think he's really aware of this at a conscious level yet).
So, when I've said before that this could be a moment of flirting... I think Ennis is almost (possibly) flirting despite himself. Or, he's sort of stumbling along and not entirely aware of himself or what's really going on yet.
Complex indeed.
I would guess too, that there were and probably still are plenty of fire-and-brimstone types who would easily refer to heterosexual sex outside of marriage with terms like "sin" and "hell."
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I like it when people disgree with me.It makes me look at things from a different perspective.Also I am unsure of myself re American living at that time.
I think your idea of a sort of flirting is probably the best (for me ) description so far.
However I am fickle and some one else may change my mind again.
forsythia12:
--- Quote from: optom3 on March 14, 2008, 06:14:54 pm ---I like it when people disgree with me.It makes me look at things from a different perspective.Also I am unsure of myself re American living at that time.
I think your idea of a sort of flirting is probably the best (for me ) description so far.
However I am fickle and some one else may change my mind again.
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well, disagree, not disagree.....i think everyone gets something totally different from the film, and from the script. i mean, i watched it twice with my husband, and some of the stuff he comes up with, i'm like WTF? but, again, that's from a male heterosexual man who saw it in his own way....so, i don't really think there's any RIGHT answers, but just a different point of view.
because the lines don't come with side notes, we all make up our mind about the deeper meaning, or even if there is a deeper meaning at all. it's our experiences that help shape what we see and what we read into things. when i first saw the film, i didn't even notice this line. and then by the 54th time (lol) i thought he just meant that he hadn't been out in life yet....like hasn't done lot's of stuff yet, ...sex, included.... and now i see even more meaning in the line....flirting, etc....
that's why this forum is cool. everyone has a different view.
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