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sexual orientation, jealousy, and the definition of infidelity.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on March 14, 2008, 01:29:27 pm ---I'm sorry optom, I have to disagree with you. By "sinner" I believe Ennis was referring to people who, uh, fornicate. I don't think the idea of gayness had quite entered his consciousness at that point, altho it was undoubtedly lurking below. Yes, sinner was and is a harsh word but he may have been using it a bit tongue in cheek, as his following words "I ain't yet had the opportunity" make clear. BBM is a story of contrasts, that's for sure!!
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I agree with Lee. That's the way I've understood the scene.
elomelo:
I agree with Lee on this one. :)
It's Ennis subtle or not-so-subtle, depending on how your say it, of saying despite what Jack thinks, he's a virgin.
Or maybe, he might be referring to something else...that he has yet to 'forincate' (okay, I so spelled it wrong here, I think..) with Alma but she's a good Christian girl and it'll be 'proper' to wait until after marriage. So he's not a sinner in that sense.
Hmmm..
Brown Eyes:
Tell you what, I've just been thinking that the conversation here between Jack and Ennis over rather intimate things (like whether or not Ennis has yet had sex) really is a major moment for Ennis. At this stage, he's really opened up a lot in terms of conversation compared to earlier in the Brokeback summer. And, Ennis really seems to be enjoying the chat. I mean he generally seems to be in a good mood through the singing (where he's banging along with the stick) and the chat. It must feel so good for Ennis (who's so alone in the world and so bottled up mostly) to have someone to discuss things with in a non-judgmental (and even sort of fun) way. It seems important to realize that at this stage when he's still a teenager and still very much trying to figure life-situations out. Finding Jack as a friend and confidant really must have been a huge relief for him at this stage.
forsythia12:
--- Quote from: atz75 on March 14, 2008, 03:01:46 pm ---Tell you what, I've just been thinking that the conversation here between Jack and Ennis over rather intimate things (like whether or not Ennis has yet had sex) really is a major moment for Ennis. At this stage, he's really opened up a lot in terms of conversation compared to earlier in the Brokeback summer. And, Ennis really seems to be enjoying the chat. I mean he generally seems to be in a good mood through the singing (where he's banging along with the stick) and the chat. It must feel so good for Ennis (who's so alone in the world and so bottled up mostly) to have someone to discuss things with in a non-judgmental (and even sort of fun) way. It seems important to realize that at this stage when he's still a teenager and still very much trying to figure life-situations out. Finding Jack as a friend and confidant really must have been a huge relief for him at this stage.
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yeah, i agree. good points! :)
forsythia12:
--- Quote from: atz75 on March 14, 2008, 01:38:39 pm ---
I would guess too, that there were and probably still are plenty of fire-and-brimstone types who would easily refer to heterosexual sex outside of marriage with terms like "sin" and "hell."
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yep. you're right about that. sex before marriage in general is considered sinfull in many religious sects...so i'd agree that he meant it about fornication....but, again, it is complex and it could be interpreted in many different ways i guess.
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